About Us

Welcome to our church, with its rich history and vibrant community.

Our church was built in the twelfth century and has witnessed Kingston’s transformation from a small scattered settlement into the bustling, lively town it is today. In the twenty-first century All Saints remains as a place to celebrate and protect this rich heritage.

All Saints continues to adapt to the needs of the community it serves as a site for meeting, celebration and culture, whilst remaining true to its foundation as a place of worship and prayer where all may find a moment’s peace.

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Assistant Priests (Part Time, Non-Stipendary) - Rev'd Sandy Cragg
Rev’d Sandy Cragg

Assistant Priests (Part-time, Non-Stipendary)

Rev'd William Allberry
Jenny Bridges - PA to the Rector
John Dewhurst

Church Warden and Virger

Roshan Jathanna

Church Warden

Richard Guy - Caretaker
Pippa Joiner

Learning and Engagement Officer

Personal Assistant to the Rector
Jenny Bridges (020 8546 5964)

Readers
Martin Corner

Deputy Churchwardens
Jennifer Pearce
Sarah Gordon-Steward
Richard Clark
Paul Thompson (Premises and Insurance)

PCC Secretary: Isabel Isaacson
Treasurer: Alastair Deller

Learning and Engagement Officer: Pippa Joiner
Safeguarding Officers: Alex Crook and Rachel Davies
Director of Music: David Condry
Assistant Director of Music and Organist: Matthew O’Malley

All Saints is the church for the historic parish of Kingston that, at one time, stretched from Molesey to Richmond. It has been at the centre of the Town’s life since Kingston grew up around the Royal Estate (Cyngstun) – the current churchyard – with its church at the heart.

The Church’s Tower is the focal point of the Kingston Avenue of tress at Hampton Court and its bell started and finished trading in the market.

Today, All Saints hosts three civic services each year – the Crown Court Service (Marking the start of the Court’s New Year in September), the Mayor Service (to pray for the new Mayor as they start their year in office) and the Remembrance Sunday Service after the public act of remembrance in Memorial Square.

All Saints is part of a Team of Anglican Churches with St John the Evangelist Church and St John the Baptist Church Kingston Vale.

All Saints is also a member of a local ecumenical partnership of churches in the Town centre with Kingston United Reformed Church and John Bunyan Baptist Church.

We are a member of Churches Together in Kingston

All Saints is part of the Diocese of Southwark and the wider Church of England. To find out more:

www.southwark.anglican.org and www.churchofengland.org

NameRoleYear of electionEnd of term of office
Rev Sandy CraggHonorary CurateEx Officio-
Rev William AllberryReverend20212024
Roshan JathannaChurchwarden20202023
John DewhurstChurch Warden and Deanery Synod Representative20212023
Isabel IsaacsonPCC Secretary and Deanery Synod Representative20202023
Jeremy JeffreysDeanery Synod Representative20202023
Samantha TaylorDeanery Synod Representative20202023
Paul ThompsonDeputy Church Warden and Deanery Synod Representative20202023
Jennifer PearceDeputy Church Warden and PCC Member20222023
Eithne FrayDeputy Church Warden and PCC Member20222023
Sheila BryantDeputy Church Warden and PCC Member20222023
Mary WarmanAssistant Church Warden and PCC Member20222023
Liz DellerAssistant Church Warden and PCC Member20222023
Alastair DellerTreasurer20202023
Daniel KellyGift Aid Secretary20192023
Tsetsy KehayovaPCC Member20202023
Lucy RobinsonPCC Member20202023
Philip DaviesPCC Member20202023
Peter ReddellPCC Member20202023
Joni TimminsPCC Member20222023
Keith LongPCC Member20222023
Yvonne FitzpatrickPCC Member20222023
Phil WalkerPCC Member20222023

All Saints Annual and Financial Report 2021-2022

Churchwardens’ Annual Report 2021-2022 – John Dewhurst & Roshan Jathanna

This has surely been another year like other! At the time of the last Annual Parish Meeting in May 2021, we were cautiously feeling our way back to a kind of ‘new’ normality, with in-person services resuming, albeit with face-coverings requested and a substantial proportion of the congregation continuing to ‘attend’ services via our YouTube channel.

In addition to the usual three Sunday Services, first one and then a second mid-week service was added to the weekly roster of services, and Wednesday afternoon’s Choral Evensong began to get confidently back into its stride. The Bishop of Kingston conducted a Confirmation Service on the afternoon of Sunday 13th June, and the Kingston Episcopal Ara Ordination Service took place on Saturday 3rd July. In addition, the annual Mayoral Service was held on the afternoon of Sunday 27th June, with the Crown Court Service on Monday 4th October and the Civic Remembrance Service in Memorial Square on Sunday 14th November.

But above everything else, Jonathan’s announcement on Sunday 13th June that he would be leaving All Saints after a fifteen-year ministry amongst us, was surely the defining moment of the year. His last service, Choral Evensong on Sunday 17th October was followed by a joyous celebration in the East End, wonderfully catered for by Sarah and her team and with a stylish musical entertainment provided by the Choir. Jonathan’s final inunction to us at the end of the service, drawing on the New Testament reading, was ‘Only be strong, and very courageous’, something that we’ve all tried to keep at the forefront of our minds ever since.

Since then, the Kingston Team Ministry has been without a Team Rector and we at All Saints have been without a Vicar. But we have been enormously well-served by a whole host of clergy, led by Sandy and William, and we are extremely grateful especially to William for putting together a weekly service rota which currently extends deep into the summer. Week by week, the Opus Dei at All Saints continues to thrive.

The run of Christmas services, from Advent through Christmas to Epiphany, went very well. The congregations at each of the services were rather smaller than usual, mainly because of lingering anxieties about the Covid-19 situation, but they were watched by considerable numbers of people via out YouTube livestream. We are immensely grateful to our excellent musicians: the organists, the choir and the bellringers, for everything they did to make these special services, and also our routine weekly services, so successful. A particular highlight was the commemoration of the Accession of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II on Sunday 6th February.

All Saints has been kept going during the potentially challenging months of the Vacancy, which are set to continue into September, by the sterling efforts of a huge number of people, both our immensely hardworking staff (Jenny, Pippa and Richard), and our many volunteers and especially those who coordinate their activities from behind the scenes. Special mention must be made of the invaluable contributions of Isabel Isaacson, PCC Secretary and Alastair Deller, Honorary Treasurer. Paul Thompson, deputy churchwarden with delegated responsibility for premises and insurance, has worked extremely hard to tackle a number of complex issues during the last few months. The separate reports of the many and varied group activities that take place week by week (below) are an eloquent testimony to the rich tapestry of life at All Saints.

The church continues to be open to visitors throughout the week from 10.00am until 4.00pm, and the Café, now superbly managed by Sarah and her team of highly professional assistants, continues to attract a loyal and steady following of both regular customers and occasional visitors. The Vergers and the Listeners combine to ensure that there is a warm welcome for visitors, whatever their reason for coming into the church. On Saturday mornings, members of the Gardening Group often chat to passers-by as they work in the north and south churchyards, providing another form of mission outreach activity to the local community.

The building has continued to work very hard for its living, being regularly hired for weekly rehearsals, frequent concerts both at lunchtimes and in the evening, receptions of various kinds, popular exhibitions and most recently the new once a month ‘Pop-Up Shop’ held on a Saturday, selling ‘vintage pre-loved fashion clothing’, which in addition to providing much needed income has attracted a whole new demographic into our beautiful and infinitely adaptable space. We often say we need to attract more young people!

The Kingston Team Ministry Profile, an impressively professional-looking document, was produced as a result of an excellent team effort by many contributors, and can be found on the website. It was made available to potential applicants through the Church Times adverts that appeared throughout March. By the time this report appears the shortlisting meeting will have taken place (26th April) and the preferred candidates will have visited the three parishes that make up the Kingston Team Ministry (Saturday 7th May). Interviews are scheduled for Wednesday 11th May and we hope very much that the successful candidate will be in post by the beginning of September.

The Churchwardens would like to extend their heartfelt thanks the Clergy, the Deputy Wardens, the PCC and the whole congregation for their support over the last year. It has been very much appreciated.

Heritage and Learning Activities – Pippa Joiner

Learning activity has started to take place again, following Covid-19 restrictions guidelines and in consultation with the Churchwardens. We are delighted to have recommenced schools’ workshops and sessions for the local community. This year we have developed more therapeutic workshops for adults, in particular Kingston Carer’s Network. We have also recommenced our popular Thumbs Up It’s Thursday craft days for families, which take place during the school holidays.

The Learning and Engagement Officer is supporting the Seven Saxon Kings Embroidery project and been liaising with the designer and working group about the production of three embroidered panels. We expect to have Edmund, Eadred and Eadwig panels on display in Autumn 2022. Once installed, we will launch a new fundraising campaign to raise the final £30,000 to be able to complete the remaining three panels and tell a complete story of our important heritage.

The Learning and Engagement Officer helps support volunteer activity and has helped encourage new volunteers to support across all areas of activity. She also supports the Parish Safeguarding Officers to undertake DBS checks and a log of safeguarding training.

The Learning and Engagement Officer works with Liz Deller to provide a small shop offer. This year we have expanded the range of items available and achieved a modest profit. We thank everyone who has supported the shop by purchasing items and all profit made from the shop helps to support All Saints.

Little Saints – Pippa Joiner

Little Saints is an informal drop-in session for toddlers and their carers in the East End of the church. Anyone is welcome to come and it provides a good opportunity for young ones to play and their carers to meet others. The session provides an opportunity for people to meet and talk. Little Saints re-started in September 2021 with a new team of 4 volunteer leaders with Anne and Aruna leading Tuesday afternoon sessions and Roisin and Nicky leading Friday morning sessions. A new private Facebook was created and sessions widely advertised. However, due to the rise in Covid cases in Kingston we took the difficult decision to pause the sessions in December 2021, and will to restart these when safe to do so.

The Children’s area has new mango wood toy boxes, which are in keeping with the Church. Many thanks to Ian Nevill for undertaking a substantial amount of work to make these safety-proof.

Pray Time – Pippa Joiner

We are delighted to announce we will be re-starting Pray Time in April 2022, led by Ann Cornick. This is our group for babies and pre-school children and their carers. There will be 10 minutes at the altar for songs and prayers, followed by a social Time to Chat in the café at our special table, with simple snacks provided. Pray Time will take place on the First Wednesday of every month, starting on 6th April. We are looking for volunteers to help lead sessions.

Vergers Annual Report – Yvonne (Vonnie) Fitzpatrick

Again, I would like to reiterate the massive contribution volunteer vergers make, to allow All Saints to remain open to the public. Keeping our doors open is so very important within our whole community and, in fact, for visitors that come from much further afield.

The Church relies on a wonderful group of volunteers for this, vergers being an important part.

During the timeframe of this annual report, we have gained five new vergers and hope to encourage more volunteers to join us.

I now help Sarah in the church Café which I thoroughly enjoy. An added advantage means that this gives me more of an opportunity to get to know vergers and other volunteers better.

We are continuing with various aspects of training which we feel would be beneficial.

Prior to our last vergers meeting and training session on 16th March, vergers were encouraged to suggest any practical aspects that would be useful to include. Also, any frequently asked questions by visitors that vergers felt would be good to explore.

It was good to see many vergers were able to attend. We hope to continue with these meetings/sessions.

Many thanks to Pippa, Our Heritage Officer, for her help, support and also for updating the Volunteers Handbook.

A ‘volunteers thank you’ event has been suggested once we have a new Rector appointed. This met with positive approval from everyone at the most recent Volunteer Leaders Forum.

English Conversation – William Allberry

Our monthly 2-hour sessions resumed as soon as restrictions were lifted, though we continue to use face visors (rather than masks, which are not good for conversation!). Although we are still ready to welcome people of any language ability to develop their conversational skills, numbers have not picked up since the lockdowns, despite our reminders to various agencies who have referred people in the past. We have a good group of willing teachers, so hope to be able to help learners of English when they are ready to come.

PCC Report – Isabel Isaacson

The All Saints Parochial Church Council met nine times during the year following the 2021 APCM (June 2021-April 2022). There are 12 elected and co-opted members and 10 ex officio members including the clergy, wardens and Deanery Synod representatives. The average attendance at meetings was 15. The PCC’s regular business includes the monitoring of the Church’s finances, reviewing Church life and events, health and safety issues, including safeguarding, and preparing for forthcoming services and other events. The work of the PCC is greatly assisted by the appointment of sub-committees to look in detail at particular issues. Last year a sub-committee was appointed to review the Church’s giving to good causes. More recently, a team has undertaken to examine our on-line presence to identify areas for change or development. A great deal of the Committee’s time over the last few months has of necessity been devoted to implementing the process of appointing a new Incumbent and also making sure that our everyday Church life continues, as far as possible as usual, during the Vacancy.

Christian Aid – Tsetsy Kavanozova 

“In 2021, All Saints continued to support Christian Aid and Kingston Churches were inspired to achieve the success of the 2020 campaign, which not only bettered 2019, but was the largest 2020 CAW collection from any town in Britain.

We are extremely grateful for the generosity of Kingston residents and their friends and for the incredible 2021 fundraising success which increased by nearly 7% on 2020.

The Rector and other members of Kingston clergy accepted a challenge to each carry buckets full of water in May during their daily routine of work and exercise as a way to encourage donations from sponsors.

Publicised on JustGiving and Facebook pages, this was most successful and a total of £21,692 was raised compared with £20,321 in 2020.

A high proportion of the donations had been Gift Aided.  This was a very encouraging result given the difficulties presented by the Covid pandemic and restrictions.

Delivery Only Collections replaced the traditional House-to-House Collections. Envelopes were delivered to roads where a ‘safe house’ for the return of envelopes could be identified. This worked fairly well and raised £1466.

The Flag Day collection amounted to £288.   A choir sang while the mayor was doused in water by some of the Clergy who had carried buckets of water for the fund-raising effort.

There was no station collection as permission had not been granted by Southwestern Railway.

There was no Market Stall because of Covid considerations.

The Quiz went ahead via Zoom and donations were given through the Just Giving page and also off-line.

Christian Aid’s target for CA Week in 2021 was £3.9 million but by November £5.7million had been raised.  The target for 2022 has been set at £6million. “

Kingston upon Thames Bell Ringers – Paul Flavell

2021 has been a strange year totally dominated by the pandemic which has affected us all in some way.  We were in complete lockdown from December 2020 so for the first time in many years we were unable to ring for Christmas or ring in the new year.

Ringing restarted in April on four socially distanced bells increasing to six in May.  Practices limited to 45 minutes were focused on learners, Sundays for more experienced ringers.

Our first open practice to all was on 21 July and we were delighted to have exactly 12 ringers and ring all 12 bells for the first time in months.  Thereafter we have been practising and ringing on Sundays as normal and I am pleased to report we ring 12 bells most times.  We are always pleased to welcome our regular visitors.  The tower was given a thorough spring clean in October and in January.

We’re delighted that Kate Corney and Zoe Millington-Jones have joined the band and we warmly welcome them all. Our recruits So-Shan, Gavin and Colin are making good progress and we are currently teaching some more learners.

All ringing competitions were cancelled in 2020 and 2021 so we have been holding both the 6 and 8 bell trophies in the tower since 2018!

We were unable to hold our Annual Dinner or Barbeque in 2021 but we did manage a little local outing in September to Cranleigh and Hascombe. We had a dinner in February 2022 at the Canbury Arms with the ringers and church wardens.

Steeple keeping: The bells and fittings had a full maintenance service carried out by Nicholson bell engineers on 12 and 13 January 2022 at a cost of £576.  They identified some work which needs doing and this is being quoted for.

The carillon has ceased to function and is currently switched off.  We have received quotes from Taylors, Smiths of Derby and Nicholson’s for a new electronic system incorporating clock chimes, tunes and a dinger.  This to be discussed separately with the church.

Knit for the Needy – Catherine Fennemore

Once again we are pleased to report that the Knitting Circle continues to flourish and we met in the church as many times as we were able prior to 18th May 2021 since when we have met every Tuesday.

This last year we have sent to MALAWI:  78 large & small & lap blankets in a variety of colours and patterns and 78 cot blankets.  We continue to provide simple T-shirts large, medium and small (91) and (143) hats to suit both girls and boys in different sizes and 2 “hoodies“and 12 scarves.  We have also sent 112 “fish & chip” sets for the new born and very small babies.  These babies are called “fish & chip” babies because their mothers are so poor that they have to wrap the babies up in newspaper when they take them home from the hospital.  To the afore-mentioned we can add: 23 baby bonnets and 6 pairs of bootees along with 26 large and small cardigans, hat and jumper sets, shawls and 12 scarves and 1 pair of mittens.  We continue to receive a substantial number of beautifully made teddies and other toys (27) including 5 ducks (children need cuddly toys).  These blankets and garments provide much needed warmth and comfort particularly during cold nights and winters.

The centre to train ladies as dressmakers continues to flourish.  This skill enables them to earn an income and assist with providing for their families.  As a group we have been pleased to continue to provide many, many boxes of haberdashery items – scissors, needles, reels of cotton, ribbons, thimbles, pins, tape and bias binding and so forth.  Manual sewing machines are always welcome and go out in the next available container.  When the ladies leave the centre they are provided with a sewing machine so they can immediately begin to work independently.

Toiletries and medical items are always usefulAs are suitcases which are used to carry items out to Malawi and then given to the students for their possessions when they go away to school or higher education.  There is also a need for sanitary ware for girls and ladies and our members have generously provided large quantities of underwear and the materials needed for making the sanitary products. Note: the women and girls make these re-useable items themselves.  Bed linen, particularly coloured or patterned, is suitable.

The costs of shipment are very high and any assistance in this matter is much appreciated by the organisers. More information about the organisation can be found here:  www.africanvision.org.uk.

Unfortunately, the knitted flowers for the Easter decorations were not required.  The poppies knitted by members to commemorate those lost on active service in war were again displayed.  And to this we would add many knitted decorations including stars, garlands, toys and animals displayed this year in a Christmas tree festival in All Saints Church.

The Circle meets on Tuesday between 10.00 am and 11.45 am approximately.

Any donations of wool would be gratefully received.  As you will see all donations will be used to alleviate the difficulties and suffering of very needy people.

Gardening Team – Carys Griffiths /Jean Cope

As last year, 2021 – 2022 has brought challenges due to the on-going pandemic situation. The diminished Gardening Team of Jean Cope, Carys Griffiths and Roshan Jathanna, was joined recently by Sheila Bryant, replacing Ruth Bolton, who had to drop out due to ill health. They have been very resourceful in between lockdowns and managed to keep the church gardens in a reasonably good shape. Thanks in part to the help of Mary and Geoff Warman who pruned the hedges on both sides of the south path and Caroline and John Ayles who valiantly cut back the fast-growing suckers around the bases of the lime trees. There is however still more to be done. Clearing the debris of fallen branches etc. after storm Eunice on February 18th was also quite arduous.

The team was very disappointed with the response to our plea for volunteers to help with the autumn garden clearance. However, a small group, Lynette Spencer, Bette Tomlinson, Joni Timmins and Sheila Bryant augmented our numbers and we got some of the work done. Following a Council-funded Health & Safety Audit of the trees in September 2021, remedial maintenance work was carried out in March by Advanced Tree Services, paid for by All Saints but with a very generous and much appreciated contribution of £4,000 from two of our Ward Councillors. This work involved the removal of five dead or terminally diseased trees and the substantial pruning of several others.

The milder winter weather has brought out the daffodils earlier than usual and has also allowed us to plant several colourful cyclamen, primroses, hydrangea, hebes, etc., which makes for a bright and welcoming entrance to the south side of the church. The squirrels and the pigeons are still troublesome though!

We must thank Kate from the market flower stall for several free contributions and Jean Cope for the many cuttings from her garden. If anyone in the congregation find that they have superfluous plants/cuttings for their own needs, we would welcome such donations for the church gardens, as all other plants are given through the generosity of the gardeners themselves.

Pippa has tried her best to attract garden volunteers through the Church Volunteer Website, but without much success. Fortunately, we’ve had an extra three volunteers from the congregation lately who are willing to give their time occasionally to help out, for which we are very grateful – Jon Taylor, Bette Tomlinson and Chris Ault.

We now look forward to a big Spring Clear Up. Keep an eye out for the date in the Pew Sheet, who knows, perhaps YOU could help in some small way!

Thursday Morning Coffee Group – Carys Griffiths

This is a ‘Drop-In’ coffee group which re-started at the end of the last Lockdown. During the Lockdowns we had two Zoom Groups which suited quite a number of people, but it was felt that some could not participate due to their lack of accessibility to the Internet, or were happier to meet in person. Therefore, as soon as we had permission, we gathered back face to face in the church café, although the Zoom groups are still carrying on for anyone who is interested.

The in-church gathering by its very nature has been less structured than before the pandemic with no organized activities just a gathering to relax and chat over a cup of coffee. Since it is run on a Drop-In format at present, the numbers fluctuate. The group is open to anyone, with some coming from Richmond, Sunbury, New Malden etc., but it is pleasing to see more and more of the All Saints church family joining in as well. As Spring arrives and hopefully an improvement in the weather, we hope to have some short outings in the locality.

Listening Service – Sandy Cragg

The Service operates between 11 am and 12.15pm from Monday to Saturday.  Thanks to several dedicated volunteers, the service resumed once the church reopened after lockdown, initially with one person on duty each morning alongside the verger.  Once Covid vaccinations and boosters were available the majority of the Team returned and it has been possible to resume our practice of having 2 listeners on duty.

Over the last year more than 200 people have spoken to our listeners about their problems and a much larger number have been welcomed for a friendly informal chat.  During lockdown Hilary and Sandy trained 7 new volunteers via Zoom, which they would previously have thought impossible, but which worked well and with a few more volunteers on the waiting list, they plan another course in early summer.

If you or anyone you know are interested in joining the team, speak to Sandy.  The only qualification is to be interested in other people; we can teach you the rest.

The Flower Team – Sandy Cragg

The triple whammy of pandemic, new import regulations (lots of flowers are brought in from the Netherlands) and rising cost of fuel for transport has pushed up the cost of flowers considerably and there is every likelihood that prices will rise even further.  So grateful thanks on behalf of all who love to see our church beautifully decorated not only to the arrangers whose skill and hard work achieves this, but also to everyone whose donations make it possible.

Where we are asked to arrange flowers for a wedding or other function not associated with the regular congregation, we add 50% to the cost of the flowers from our wholesale supplier. This contributes to the cost of flowers for church festivals and is still cheaper for the clients than using a professional florist.  By keeping our charges reasonable we encourage people to give us their custom!  If you’d like to join the team, we’d be happy to train you, speak to Faith/Carole/Sandy.

The Saxon Kings Panels – Sandy Cragg

Part of architect Ptolemy Dean’s vision for the restored church was to use the 7 niche-style spaces along the East End wall for images of the Saxon Kings crowned on or near the site of our Church.  The planning group set up to progress this idea decided to use the planned images for education about our heritage as well as to complete the decoration of this now beautiful building.

The ambitious scheme has taken some years to come to fruition, but we were delighted to finally have our first panel, King Athelstan, 2nd in the series, installed. Edmund, Eadred and Edwy, the next kings in the series, have been sponsored and will be produced over the summer months and should be installed in the autumn of this year.

We will be holding a launch event when they are installed as part of our campaign to achieve sponsorship for the remaining three panels.  The date for the launch should be announced fairly soon, please look out for it!

The panels are made by award-winning modern embroiderer Jacky Pusey with a mixture of machine and hand techniques and beaded by Royal School of Needlework beading tutor, Beatrice Mayfield. The panels will be produced and framed to the highest conservation standards, giving them an expected lifetime of centuries. For further information, speak to our Heritage Office Pippa Joiner, David Robinson, or Sandy Cragg.

Christmas Tree Festival – Sandy Cragg

Having missed out on our now regular Festival over Christmas 2020-2021 because of the effects of the pandemic, we were delighted to return to nearly normal last Christmas, albeit with a slightly smaller number of trees to make sure we could space them out and keep social distancing in place.

As usual, the Mayor of Kingston came to officially open the festival on the first Saturday and we were delighted that Euphonix Choir were able to sing for us at the launch.  The trees were decorated by church groups and some by the charities that we support from the donations given (charities supported are listed in the Good Causes report).  Many thanks to all who worked hard to make it a success.

Next year we hope it will be business as usual, for further information speak to Liz Deller or Sandy.

All Saints Book Club – Anne Nicholson

The Book Club has continued to meet on the fourth Sunday of each month and has been back in Church since the end of lockdown.

We still read the Church Times monthly choice which includes an article about the book and a list of questions to focus our discussions.

The choice of books is very varied and this year has included ‘Featherhood’ by Charlie Gilmore, ‘Hamnet’ by Maggie O’Farrell, ‘Small Pleasures’ by Clare Chambers and most recently ‘Mansfield Park’ by Jane Austen.

We have six regular members and would be very pleased to welcome new members. Please get in touch if you are interested.

Music Department – David Condry

The past year has seen a very welcome return to a full schedule of choral services with the full choir, after an extended period of extreme disruption which in many other churches has caused the decimation of their choirs. We are extremely fortunate to have a highly loyal and dedicated team of musicians. This enabled us to return very quickly to our high standards of professional music making. This extended period of unprecedented disruption has, however, caused significant challenges with the recruitment of choristers. Direct recruitment of choristers by visiting schools has always proved, by far the most successful method of recruiting choristers. However, because of what amounted to a ban on visitors to schools when restrictions were in place, this was impossible and meant that for almost two years no school visits were possible. This has forced us to be innovative and we have found recent success through social media recruitment – 5 new choristers have been recruited this way. Happily, we are now in a position where we can now start to visit schools again and recruit choristers using a whole range of methods.

In addition to our new choristers, in September, we welcomed two new choral scholars, Sebastian Evans and Henry Studholme. Following the departure of organ scholar, Daniel Blaze, now at Sherborne Abbey, Alan Erdlelyi was appointed as our new organ scholar. We should be very proud of our choral and organ scholarship programmes and how effective these positions are for providing a rich environment for these talented young musicians to flourish.

In December we were delighted to revive the joint Christmas concert with Thames Youth Orchestra. This was a great success, both musically and commercially and has provided us with some very welcome income to support the work of the music department. Both us and Thames Youth Orchestra   are keen to make this an annual fixture, and diaries have already been consulted for this year. We were also delighted to welcome back a congregation for all our Christmas services.

It has become apparent that our choir robes are many years past their best, and most are in an appalling state, with seams coming apart, material ripped and disintegrating, and polycotton surplices which are badly and irretrievably discoloured. These very old robes do not reflect the professional musical standards of the choir and it is clear that they must be replaced with something well-made which will last for decades to come. We have begun work to look into this.

In January we significantly raised the chorister pay from amounts which had been set in the 1980s and not reviewed since. This long overdue increase reflects the extraordinary commitment, professionalism and talent of our choristers and has been greatly appreciated by our gifted young singers, boosting their morale and loyalty. This also brings us in line with similar choral foundations. We are very grateful to the PCC for this.

The music library has continued to expand. Recently we have invested in a new set of books of European Sacred Music. This investment has expanded our potential repertoire by over 50 pieces and replaces some very old and tattered editions of much-loved works like Fauré’s “Cantique de Jean Racine”. Other areas of investment have focused on music storage with 40 new library boxes. These will both replace some very old and disintegrating boxes and will provide storage for library expansion.

I would like to thank each and every member of the music for their professionalism, dedication and loyalty. In particular, I would like to thank Matthew O’Malley – Organist, Alan Erdelyi – Organ scholar, Eleanor Howard-Williams – Choir matron and Nigel Duffin – choir librarian, for their unwavering hard work in helping to run our music department and without whom the running of the department would be impossible.

Safeguarding – Pippa Joiner on behalf of Safeguarding team

We would like to welcome Rachel Davies, who joins Alex Crook as our Parish Safeguarding Officers (PSO’s).  We would like to start by saying thank you to every volunteer at church for their support, patience and kindness during the interregnum. We have been working hard to get the safeguarding system at church as up-to-date as possible, and this has meant a lot of paperwork and training for you all. Thank you for your great assistance in this vitally important area of church.

Alex and Rachel work with the PCC to implement policy and procedures found in the House of Bishop’s Promoting a Safer Church safeguarding policy statement, the House of Bishop’s safeguarding Policies and Practice Guidance while being responsive to local parish requirements.

The PCC must promote a safer church for all in the church community and ensure there is a plan in place to raise awareness of safeguarding matters, promote training and ensure that safeguarding is taken seriously by all those in the church community.

Our parish continues to promote Safe Recruiting for volunteers in accordance with the procedures set out in A Safe Church.  The safeguarding policy and procedures and names and contact details of PSO are also advertised on the church premises and in the Volunteer handbook (updated in March 2022).  The PSO’s are the DBS administrators. DBS checks are renewed every 5 years and we have an electronic file recording these which is secure and locked down to only those that need access to it.  During the pandemic, the ID checks for these DBS checks has been carried out online or by email. Volunteers are aware of and work to the House of Bishop’s safeguarding guidance and we keep a register of training to ensure all volunteers get safeguarding training every 3 years.

Over the coming year the PSO’s will:

  • Continue to respond to any safeguarding concerns as they arise
  • Keep safeguarding prominent at PCC meetings
  • Churchwardens carrying out annual health and safety and fire inspections of the premises
  • Risk assessments for all new and existing parish activities where children and adults who may be vulnerable may be included
  • Adhere to the Code of Safer Working Practice (Appendix 19)
  • Ensuring correct ratios for adult/children in each group.
  • Continue to update safeguarding policies (these will go past the PCC, and then onto the church website and Volunteer Handbook for all to view)
  • Advertising the parish Safeguarding Policy and Procedures in summary on the church premises and publicising the name and contact details of the PSOs
  • Ensuring full recruitment procedures followed for all staff and voluntary workers
  • Chase up any outstanding training certificates and DBS checks
  • Continue good record retention and security

ASK Annual Fabric Inspection: Summary report – John Dewhurst and Roshan Jathanna (Churchwardens); Paul Thompson (Deputy Churchwarden)

The Churchwardens are required to inspect the church building and the churchyard at least once each year, or to arrange for this to be done on their behalf (The Care of Churches and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Measure, 1991). The Churchwardens are required to present an annual report on the condition of the building to the Church Council. The report is then presented to the Annual Parishioners’ Meeting, with any amendments required by the Church Council (A Handbook for Churchwardens and PCCs, 1997).

The Churchwardens are pleased to be able to report, on the basis of the annual Fabric Inspection and Risk Assessment that were carried out on 13th February 2022, that overall the church building is structurally sound, watertight, secure, safe, in good decorative order, clean and tidy, well-lit and heated, and is accessible by wheelchair. Overall, the external condition of the building is no worse than may be expected for a building of its age.

The churchyard is judged to be safe and is clean and tidy (thanks in no small part to the continuing work of the Gardening Group) and does not pose any threat to neighbouring buildings.

The inspection noted some weathering and aging issues on the external of the building, which includes some maintenance work that can be carried out in the coming months.

Pigeons continue to be unwelcome visitors and roost all over the exterior of the building. The defunct pigeon wires along the top of the South Nave wall need to be replaced when finances permit.

In the Tower, the 100-year-old carillon, which plays hymn tunes on the bells, has stopped working and is considered to be beyond economic repair. A proposal to replace it with a modern electronic system has been agreed and an application to the Diocese of Southwark for a Faculty (permission to proceed with the work) is in progress. The cost of this work will be met by a generous anonymous donation. Nicholsons bell engineers carried out a service on the bell fittings in January 2022 and identified the need for some minor maintenance work, much of which will be funded by the Ringers.

Gas, electricity and lightning conductor safety certificates are all up to date, as is the church’s Public Liability Insurance.

A detailed annual fabric inspection report is available on request.

Full PCC Annual Report and Financial Statement ending 31 December 2021 can be found here.

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All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 22nd February 2022, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
John Dewhurst (Chair), Rev’d William Allberry, Alastair Deller (Honorary Treasurer),
Yvonne Fitzpatrick, Jonathan Gillard, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan
Jathanna, Peter Reddell, Lucy Robinson, Paul Thompson, Mary Warman.
William opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Eithne Fray, Jennifer Pearce, Samantha Taylor, Philip Walker.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 25th January 2022 – minutes agreed with no changes.
3. Matters arising.
• Item 4 Finance. Assistant Caretaker: we are now looking to employ a cleaner to
cover weekends and days when Richard is not available.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/22-01/02/22–01/01/21-01/02/21.
The financial details were circulated to the PCC before the meeting. There was very little to
note as January is not a very busy month. A new category (Concerts and recitals) has been
added – proceeds under this heading will go direct to help pay for music and choristers.
Administrative issues.
Bank mandate. At the previous meeting it was agreed that a replacement bank mandate
should be set up to incorporate a change to the client name on our CBF Church of England
Deposit Funds and listing the new authorised signatories. A similar new mandate is now
needed for the church’s Investment Funds as follows:
The client name to be ‘All Saints Kingston Upon Thames’;
The three named signatories:
John Dewhurst (Churchwarden)
Alastair Deller (Hon. Treasurer)
Tsvetanka Kehayova (Hon. Assistant Treasurer)
This was proposed by Alastair Deller and seconded by Paul Thompson; it was unanimously
approved by the PCC.
On-line donations. Following a number of problems with Braintree (the church’s current
merchant services provider for the on-line donation system) the meeting unanimously agreed
to Alastair’s proposal that we change provider to ‘PayaCharity’ (a merchant services provider
particularly geared towards supplying systems for charities).
5. The Vacancy
The profile, the advertisement and the timeline and interview panel details were circulated to
the PCC ahead of the meeting.
(a) Profile. This has been seen twice by the Archdeacon and the Canon Missioner and
approved by them. It has now been finalised. It is with the printer for design and layout
purposes and for photographs to be added.
(b) Advertisement. The advertisement will appear in the Church Times on Friday 4th March
and subsequently throughout March.
(c) Process. The applications will be handled by the Archdeacon’s office with all applications
then viewed by the shortlisting panel. John Dewhurst attended the recent PCC meeting of St
John the Baptist to discuss our vacancy and he will be similarly consulting St John the
Evangelist at their PCC meeting on 23rd February.
6. A Minster for Kingston – update. The majority of responses to the ‘Minster for Kingston’
consultation have been favourable with just two objections and one ‘hesitation’. All the
feedback at the Deanery Synod meeting, where this was also discussed, was very positive.
John has responded to those with doubts to reassure them of the expected positive outcomes
should All Saints be designated a Minster (an increase in visitor numbers and the
advancement our ‘open-door’ mission). The churchwardens will approach the Bishop of
Kingston to ask him to take this suggestion forward to Bishop Christopher.
7. Church Life Review
• Proposed use of service booklets for Lent. The meeting agreed to the use of the
existing Lent service booklets (with an additional folded A4 sheet for the elements of
the service that change (e.g. Collects, notices, etc). This will result in a great
reduction in the amount of paper used.
• South Porch table. It was agreed that a more substantial table should be sought for
the South Porch with drawers for storage of vergers’ diary, leaflets, gift-aid envelopes
etc). The meeting recorded its thanks to the donor whose generous donation has made
this possible and agreed that Iain Neville should be authorised to source something
suitable.
• Vergers’ gowns. The desirability of gowns for vergers was discussed – there is a
general feeling that it would good to increase the visibility of vergers and ensure that
they were easily identifiable by visitors. The suggestion was approved in principle;
investigation will take place to identify suitable gowns and check likely costs.
• Church inspection. This will take place on Tuesday 8th March. It will focus on the
maintenance of the church including how we have responded to issues raised in the
most recent Quinquennial Inspection.
• Palm Sunday evening. The meeting welcomed the suggestion that we hold a joint
evening service on Palm Sunday with St John the Evangelist – this would be an
especially good way to welcome and show support to Rev Lindiwe Maseko who is
joining St John the Evangelist to help during their vacancy.
8. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
• Squirrel Damage. A squirrel shut inside the church overnight has recently caused
damage to the East Surrey processional banner and possibly also to one of the keys of
the organ. The meeting regretted that the banner was very likely beyond repair. The
culprit is no longer in the building but it was suggested that the squirrel trap should be
set regularly to try to prevent any further squirrel damage.
• Livestreaming. It has been suggested that people attending livestreamed services
need to sign media release forms because of the privacy entitlement in relation to
one’s religious beliefs. Investigation is continuing into how this can be successfully
carried out.
9. Kingston Team News
Rev Lindiwe Maseko who is joining St John the Evangelist to help during their vacancy will
be covering many of their services. It was noted that they cannot begin their vacancy process
until we have filled our vacancy.
10. Any Other Business
• Hong Kong refugees. The meeting discussed how we might help to support the large
number of refugees from Hong Kong in the area. It was agreed that we will make
contact with ‘ARC’ (‘Hong Kong Assistance and Resettlement Community’) to see
where help might be needed.
• Diocese of Southwark Anti-racism Charter. This was launched late last year and
will be discussed at the next meeting of the PCC. The email with the circulation of
the minutes will include a link to it. Additional recommended reading is Ghost Ship:
Institutional Racism and the Church of England by Azariah France-Williams.
• Inclusive church. A leaflet is available in church explaining the purpose and aims of
‘The Inclusive Church Network’ and seeking the views of All Saints’ congregation.
• Iftar. On 29th May 2019 several of us joined a group of Turkish Muslims in our
church as they ended their Ramadan fast. It was suggested by one of the listeners at
All Saints, Beyza Nur Coskun. It was very enjoyable and the PCC felt that it might be
good to repeat the experience.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Wednesday 27th April.
The meeting closed with a Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 25th January 2022, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
John Dewhurst (Chair), Philip Davies, Alastair Deller (Honorary Treasurer), Eithne Fray,
Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jennifer Pearce, Peter Reddell, Lucy Robinson,
Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Mary Warman.
John Dewhurst opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: William Allberry, Sandy Cragg, Jonathan Gillard, Yvonne Fitzpatrick, Richard
Hawkins, Philip Walker.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 8th December 2021 – minutes agreed with no changes.
3. Matters arising.
• Item 4 Finance. Assistant Caretaker: we were sorry to hear that the recently
appointed Assistant Caretaker has resigned. The loss of valuable cleaning of the
church at weekends means that we will now need to look to employ a cleaner to cover
this.
• Item 4 Finance. Church lighting: quotes have now been received in relation to the
replacement of the current church lights with LED lighting which will use less
energy, be longer lasting and enhance our green credentials. LEDs last 10 times as
long as our present system and will be dimmable providing greater flexibility for
more subtle lighting options. Details of the quotes will be supplied to the PCC for
approval with a proposal that work should start after Easter.
• Item 5 Vacancy. Appointment Board: John will be discussing with John Kiddle the
composition of the Appointment Board. John will also arrange a Zoom meeting with
the Dean of King’s College Cambridge. Information resulting from these discussions
will be disseminated by John to the PCC.
• Item 7 Health and Safety. North door: this has now been repaired (it has been taken
down, re-hung and re-sprung).
• Item 7 Health and Safety. Trip incident: the church’s insurers are in direct contact
with the complainant and are currently gathering information in relation to the
incident. If a claim is forthcoming this will be the most economical and
straightforward way to deal with it (rather than through lawyers).
• Item 7 Health and Safety. Heating: the problem has been identified as relating to the
thermostats. The heating system was set up with seven zones each with a thermostat.
Unfortunately, only two thermostats could be located; each needed a replacement
battery and are now working properly. Another five thermostats have been ordered
and will be placed where they can be easily accessed.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/20-31/12/20–01/01/21-31/12/2021.
The financial details were circulated to the PCC before the meeting along with a provisional
Statement of Financial Activities 01/01/21-31/12/21. The SOFA includes approximately
£17,000 of unspent grants which appears as a surplus as it cannot be accrued. The final
accounts for 2021 should be available for the next meeting.
Draft budget. As previously noted, it was impossible to produce a budget for 2021 given the
uncertainties in relation to the covid 19 restrictions. However, Alastair has produced a
preliminary budget for 2022 which was circulated to the previous meeting. The increase
under ‘Heat, Light and Water’ was in anticipation of predicted rises in energy prices. Our
heating and lighting costs are fixed until December so price rises will not take effect until
2023. Paul is looking at the possibilities regarding the contracts that are due to expire and he
will be making recommendations in due course.
Re-naming of Bank Accounts and listing of named signatories. It was agreed that a
replacement bank mandate should be set up to incorporate a change to the client name on our
CBF Church of England Deposit and Investment Funds and listing the new authorised
signatories.
The client name to be ‘All Saints Kingston Upon Thames’;
The three named signatories:
John Dewhurst (Churchwarden)
Alastair Deller (Hon. Treasurer)
Tsvetanka Kehayova (Hon. Assistant Treasurer)
This was unanimously approved by the PCC.
5. The Vacancy
(a) Summary of responses to the consultation. It was agreed that this was a fair
representation of the general range of responses; areas for development were identified (e.g.
encouragement of young people; team ministry; volunteer base).
(b) Profile. John reported that the profile gives an outline of the Team Ministry plus a
substantial piece on All Saints and a thumbnail sketch of each church in the team plus photos.
The roles of Team Rector and Vicar of All Saints are also covered. Our partners in the town
centre are listed – these include the Faith and Spirituality Centre at the University, KCAH,
Kingston First, RBK, Churches Together, St John’s Primary School, Inter-faith Forum and so
forth and a piece from each of the various groups within All Saints. Finance and the ASK
Development Trust are covered but it was agreed that it would be useful to include something
on the importance of grant funding. The management of staff and of external providers are
also important factors.
The text will be finalised next week and circulated for comment. The advertisement should be
with the Church Times and various recruitment websites in March.
(c) The advertisement. The meeting divided into groups to discuss the wording of the draft
advertisement. Each group produced a list of suggestions for John to consider. The
advertisement will be adapted in the light of these and they will also be reflected in the profile.
6. A Minster for Kingston. There was a brief discussion of this topic and it will also be put
before the Deanery Synod in February. It was agreed that it would represent an
acknowledgement of the history of the church and would help to raise its profile as well as
encouraging an increase in visitors. There has been a favourable response from Kingston First
and the Council. The meeting approved the proposal to take this forward although nothing
can be finalised until the new incumbent is in post.
6(a). Inclusive church network. The meeting agreed to take the discussion of Inclusive
Church at this point in the meeting rather than under A.O.B. A vote was held on whether to
take forward the idea of All Saints joining the ‘Inclusive church network’. 10 voted in favour;
there were 3 abstentions. The congregation will be consulted.
7. Church Life Review
• Thanks to the clergy. The meeting recorded its thanks to the work of William in
making sure that a full programme of services is continuing at All Saints and also to
Sandy for her valuable contribution to this. We are indebted as well to Vernon Fray
and to David Bell for stepping in to help. Vernon’s excellent work in making sure
that the Epiphany Carol Service ran smoothly was greatly valued.
• New cameras. These will be installed on Friday 28th January – there will be two
cameras giving a choice of angles for filming plus an extra sound feed to improve
sound quality. The meeting recorded its thanks to Roshan for his work in organising
this. (A cautionary note was sounded in that there may be data protection issues
which could require personal release forms regarding the protection of religious
affiliation.)
• Website. The meeting welcomed Paul’s suggestion of a team to analyse the church
website to identify what we want from it and how close we can get to that using the
existing structure and design. A wish list will be drawn up and presented to the PCC
for discussion.
• Water Aid. The meeting welcomed the return of the Lent Appeal following 2 years’
absence and agreed to the adoption of Water Aid as the chosen charity. It will be
linked to after service coffee with donations via cash or cards.
• Weekday services. The re-instatement of the Tuesday Holy Communion service was
welcomed; the meeting was also pleased to note the increasing popularity of the midweek choral evensong.
8. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
• Trees in the churchyard. We have received permission to proceed with the work
needed on the churchyard trees. This is planned to take place in March.
9. Kingston Team News
Mark Stafford’s last service at St John the Evangelist takes place on Sunday 30th January.
10. Any Other Business
There was no other business.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 22nd
February.
The meeting closed with a Prayer

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 8th December 2021, via Zoom
Minutes
Present
John Dewhurst (Chair), Richard Clark, Alastair Deller (Honorary Treasurer), Yvonne
Fitzpatrick, Eithne Fray, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna,
Daniel Kelly, Jennifer Pearce, Lucy Robinson, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Philip
Walker, Mary Warman.
John Dewhurst opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: William Allberry, Jonathan Gillard, Jeremy Jeffreys, Peter Redell.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 16th November 2021 – minutes agreed with no changes.
3. Matters arising – there were no matters arising.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/19-30/11/19–01/01/21-30/11/2021.
The financial details were circulated to the PCC before the meeting. They show a surplus of
£53,2401, although it should be noted that we were in receipt of a number of one-off grants
totalling £52,214 (furlough payments, NLHF covid recovery grant and RBK grants). It was
also noted that income from hire of Church Grounds, hire of the Church, Café and shop is
starting to pick up.
Staff pay. The meeting agreed unanimously that staff should receive a pay increase of 2% in
line with Diocese guidance, with effect from 1st January 2022. Salaried staff will also get a
Christmas bonus to show appreciation for their hard work during difficult times. The role of
assistant caretaker is a temporary one for a trial 12-month period; it will be particularly
helpful to have someone available to clean at weekends as the frequency of Saturday evening
concerts increases and in preparation for the Sunday services.
Choir. There is currently a choir recruitment campaign – we have looked at comparative
organisations to enable us to produce a fairer revised scale of pay. This has been incorporated
into the preliminary budget. The choir/organ recitals will also contribute towards financing
our music.
Draft budget. As previously noted, it was impossible to produce a budget for 2021 given the
uncertainties in relation to the covid 19 restrictions. However, Alastair has produced a
preliminary budget for 2022 which was circulated in advance of the meeting. The only major
increase is under ‘Heat, Light and Water’ in anticipation of rises in energy prices. Paul is
looking at the possibilities regarding changing suppliers as contracts expire and he will be
making recommendations in due course. Possible grants have been deliberately excluded
from the budget so that our expectations remain realistic. An investigation is underway into
improving the lighting in the church by upgrading to LED lighting thus making upkeep
cheaper and greener. We are currently obtaining quotes and there will be more details
available in January.
Administrative matters. Jonathan was a signatory for our various bank accounts and on our
merchant services provider accounts. Following his departure, his name will need to be
removed from these accounts and, in some cases, a replacement will be needed. The
following proposals were put to the meeting by Alastair and unanimously accepted by the
PCC:
HSBC Charitable and Business Money Manager accounts – remove Jonathan Wilkes’s name
(John is already a signatory for this account)
CBF Deposit and Investment reserve accounts held with CCLA – remove Jonathan Wilkes’s
name and add John Dewhurst as a signatory
Merchant Provider accounts with Elavon (PayaCard Services), Braintree and GoodBox –
remove Jonathan Wilkes’s name and add John Dewhurst as a Trustee.
The meeting also agreed unanimously that an application should go ahead for a debit card for
use with our HSBC Parish Clerk’s Charitable current account for Alastair Deller (Honorary
Treasurer).
Charity Commission. The meeting agreed that Jonathan Wilkes (Chairman) should be
replaced on the list of Trustees by John Dewhurst (Acting Chairman).
5. The Vacancy
(a) All Saints PCC Representatives. The meeting confirmed the unanimous election of John
Dewhurst and Jennifer Pearce as the PCC representatives.
(b) Timeline. A Draft Timeline from the Diocese was circulated to the PCC ahead of the
meeting.
(c) Report from John Dewhurst on various consultations in relation to the vacancy.
Following receipt of a letter from the Diocesan Registrar, it seems that the Diocese expects
that representatives from St John the Evangelist and St John the Baptist will take part in the
appointment process.
The 2012 Pastoral Measure which established the current version of the Kingston Team
Ministry states that the Team Rector is the Incumbent of the Benefice of Kingston and shares
the cure of souls in the area with the two other ministers (i.e. the Team Vicars), both of whom
have the status of the incumbent of a benefice. A supplementary document ‘Scheme for a
Team Council’ (dated 25th April 2012 and approved by the All Saints PCC in June 2012 and
also by St John the Evangelist and St John the Baptist PCCs at about the same time) confirms
that there are three separate parishes in the team. The governance arrangements for the new
team were to be as follows: a PCC and two Churchwardens for each of the three churches; a
Team Council comprising the Team Rector and Team Vicars, the Assistant Clergy, Readers
and Churchwardens; and a Team Conference comprising the PCCs of the three churches. The
team council was expected to meet 4 times a year but this has not happened for some time and
other joint ventures have fallen by the wayside. An additional issue is that the Pastoral
Measure doesn’t actually specify that the Team Rector is de facto the Vicar of All Saints.
The Team Council document states that the two representatives in the appointment process
should be chosen from members of the parish for which the member of the clergy to be
appointed has special responsibility, thus they will be those elected by the All
Saints PCC (John Dewhurst and Jennifer Pearce). The Team is represented by a Team Vicar,
which in this instance will need to be Revd. Mandy Beck since by next May St John the
Evangelist will itself be in a Vacancy.
It is clear that we will need to produce a profile for the Kingston Team Ministry/Rector and
then go into detail about the role of the Vicar of All Saints. We are currently awaiting a
response from the Archdeacon to our understanding of the situation.
‘What skills and qualities do we need in our new Team rector?’ Comments have been
received from the congregation in answer to this question and PCC members are encouraged
to add their own comments/suggestions.
6. Church Life Review
• Intercessions: prayers for the sick and the departed by name – to resume? The
naming of the sick and departed was suspended whilst services were being broadcast
via YouTube as it was felt that the potentially much wider audience constituted a data
protection issue. At the June PCC meeting this year the meeting agreed that “Given
the broadcasting on line of the main Sunday service and the wider audience this
entails it was felt that we shouldn’t re-instate the naming of those we pray for on the
intercessions list. The priest conducting the Wednesday Communion will name those
wishing to be prayed for. Jonathan will make sure that this is more widely known.”
However, recently several people have requested that names be reinstated. The
meeting agreed that this could now be done subject to the seeking and obtaining of
permission to do so. It was also suggested that we could try to obtain guidance from
the Diocese.
• Events involving closure of the Church. Discussion arose from a recent large
Friday-night event which resulted in the church being closed from lunchtime on the
Thursday and all day Friday. This was due to deliveries of banqueting furniture
(tables and chairs), catering equipment, food and drink, and the setting up which
involved all church chairs being stacked and stowed. It was agreed that this closure
was very unfortunate and undesirable and that we should learn from this situation and
look out for similar future bookings so that steps can be taken via specifications in the
contract with the hirers to avoid it from happening again. It was also felt that there
was a useful distinction to be drawn between commercial events and community
events (such as the school carol services) which result in the church closure.
• Remembrance embroidery panels. As we have just lost another member of the
embroidery group who created the Remembrance Panels in the Chapel, Sandy asked
that the PCC consider her suggestion that she would like to organise a piece of fabric
embroidered with all the names of the group, to be stitched invisibly onto the back. It
wouldn’t be seen and wouldn’t need any Diocesan permission as they are moveable
hangings. She felt that it would be greatly appreciated by their nearest and dearest.
The meeting welcomed Sandy’s suggestion and agreed to it being carried out.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
• North porch closure. An examination of the door has revealed that the way it was
installed has meant that it bears down too heavily on the spring. New parts have been
ordered and will be fitted when received.
• Trip incidents. There have been two trip incidents involving electric cables in the
church grounds: one at night (the cable suitably protected and cones in place) and one
during the day (the cable covered by an even more robust appropriate covering). The
first incident has been referred to our insurers following a detailed letter from the lady
who fell – they have written to her asking whether she wishes to make a formal
claim. The lady involved in the second incident wishes to claim from her own
insurers for her glasses which were broken in the fall and simply wishes to have the
details (recorded in the accident book) confirmed by us.
• Trees in the churchyard. Advance Tree Services have quoted £7,000 for the work
on the trees, two councillors have kindly donated £2,000 each towards the work. The
work cannot go ahead until permission has been received from the Council’s Tree
Officer. A decision on this has been promised by 24th December.
• Heating. Engineers have repeatedly visited the church to try to get the heating to
work effectively. Apparently, the control system needs to be operated via a laptop.
Alastair has managed to get Cowleys to agree to send out an engineer familiar with
the system to get to the bottom of the problem. The meeting thanked Alastair for his
perseverance in this matter.
8. Kingston Team News
There was no Kingston Team news.
9. Any Other Business
There was no other business.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 25th January.
The meeting closed with a Prayer

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 16th November 2021, 7.30pm at All Saints Church, Kingston
Minutes
Present
Guest: The Ven. John Kiddle, Archdeacon of Wandsworth.
PCC: John Dewhurst (Chair), William Allberry, Richard Clark, Alastair Deller, Yvonne
Fitzpatrick, Eithne Fray, Jonathan Gillard, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary),
Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Jennifer Pearce, Peter Redell, Samantha Taylor, Paul
Thompson, Philip Walker, Mary Warman.
William opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: there were no apologies.
2. PCC Vacancy. We were sad to record the death of PCC member Michael Bryant. It was
agreed that the vacancy would be kept open until the next AGM, as a mark of respect.
3. The Vacancy. The meeting welcomed The Ven. John Kiddle, Archdeacon of
Wandsworth. He explained that this was to be an informal meeting to discuss the
vacancy itself and then to allow for a session about the actual process and to answer
any questions arising.
The vacancy. This officially began on 15th November 2021 – the date of Jonathan’s
official resignation.
Length of vacancy. A vacancy is an important time for a church, important in
different ways. There are various factors that we need to get right. The length of the
vacancy is important – we need to allow time to be able to thank Jonathan, to mourn
his departure, and then to welcome a new team rector.
The journey through the vacancy. There will, of necessity, be extra work for the
members of the congregation and for volunteers. It is fantastic for us to have our
Clergy Member, William, here with us as a constant during what could otherwise
seem to be a period of uncertainty. We should use the forthcoming periods of Advent,
Christmas and Lent to reflect upon the role of All Saints in the town of Kingston and
in the Borough. Especially appropriate will be Lent with its theme of prayer and
reflection. We should use the vacancy thoughtfully and prayerfully.
Opportunities. It will be a time of opportunities within the church community for
members to discover new gifts and to develop new talents.
The Parish Profile. The main task for the PCC in relation to the appointment process
is to prepare the Parish Profile. A good profile comes out of thinking and praying
about the church. It is a process for the PCC but also for the wider population of All
Saints, adults and children alike. We will need facts and figures: information about
the parish, the team, changes that are happening – identifying who we are now rather
than how things were when Jonathan was appointed. We don’t want to “just keep
going as we are”. There will be a job to do for the next person – opportunities but also
challenges within what should be a positive and creative time. What is the task that
God is calling us to undertake? What will be the opportunities and challenges of the
next 5 years? Lastly, but importantly, what do we identify as the gifts, skills and
experience necessary for the next incumbent? These need to be articulated in an
inspiring but honest way; we will need to think of ways to illustrate what is required,
e.g. quotations from the various consultations we undertake.
Intercessions through advent should include prayers for the vacancy and the
incumbent to come. There should also be a prayer for the vacancy that can be used by
people at home to unite us in listening to God and believing that all that we need will
come together for us.
Romana Nelson, the Archdeacon’s PA, will send us different profiles from other
parishes for us to see how others have gone about producing them. It is very
important for us to identify and determine what kind of church we are; we will also
ask the congregation to send any thoughts they might have to our churchwardens.
Census information is useful as well – Kingston has changed hugely since 2011.
The Appointment. Three parties are involved in the appointment; they will be
represented on the appointment panel as follows:
The Patron: All Saints Patron, King’s College Cambridge, will be represented by the
Dean of King’s College, Revd Dr Stephen Cherry;
The Parish: this will be represented on the appointment panel by two elected members
of the PCC;
The Bishop of Southwark: the Bishop will be represented by the Archdeacon.
The Kingston Team vicars will be represented on the panel (in effect this will be by
Mandy Beck from St John the Baptist as Mark Stafford will have left by then).
Shortlisting and interviewing will be done by all the members of the panel working
together to achieve a real consensus – all must be happy with the outcome and feel
that it is the right one. It is better not to appoint if doubts exist. However, the
Archdeacon felt that the Parish of All Saints is one to which people will want to come
and he was confident in us finding the right person.
Draft timescale
Profile: to be completed by mid-February.
Advertising: to begin on 4th March, continuing four weeks (via the Church Times and
on-line via Pathway).
Shortlisting: this will take place in April with an expectation of it resulting in a list of
3 or 4 candidates.
Visit to the Parish by candidates with partners/families: 7th May. This is not a formal
part of the process but it is important in evaluating who engages well at the visit.
Careful programming is needed for this.
Interviews: 11th May.
An appointment should follow after 3months’ notice.
The vicarage will be surveyed in May so that any work can be done when it is vacated
in May.
The appointment of a vicar for St John the Evangelist will be awaiting the completion
of the All Saints’ appointment.
Further issues explored at the meeting
The Kingston Team. We need to explore the relationship of All Saints with the other
churches in the team and perhaps look into a structure that allows the team to get
together regularly. In the past there has been an “instinct for independence” at St John
the Evangelist and St John the Baptist is geographically distant. There could be
opportunities for links with other parts of the University via the locations of the team
members. William has experience of working in a team at St Matthews where the
clergy work closely together but the churches run independently.
All Saints’ character. Its character as a church is not as clearly defined as that of some
churches. It has a town centre ministry and also an important civic role. It is also an
open church with a social function – summed up by “Open doors in all directions”. It
is liberal and inclusive. We need to examine how we find space to worship within the
“busyness” – e.g. weekday services taking place amidst other activities.
Going forward. What is our vision for the next 5 years? Where are the areas of
potential? The following thoughts and ideas were suggested.
University links;
Growth of town centre population via new residential building in immediate church
vicinity;
Attracting younger people and families – awareness that many are now moving out of
Kingston;
Identifying next generation of volunteers;
The previous plans for an additional building in church grounds could be revived – a
community resource, museum link, office accommodation (currently a challenge);
Importance of heritage which brings in young people;
Linking heritage to a sense of a journey of faith. How do you keep the heart of the
church rooted in your belief and prayer and worship?
How to pull together those aspects of church, heritage, café which feed into the
growth of the church.
All Saints as a Minster – explore re-designation.
Importance of musical tradition – use it to encourage younger members: e.g.
children’s choirs.
Potential value of All Saints as a training parish.
Various relationships around the town and connected to the church – challenge of
holding these all together.
Importance of maintaining the financing needed for church requirements.
Next steps. We will need to continue to put together our thoughts and to canvass the
views of the wider All Saints’ population in order to put together the parish profile
and to start the appointment process.
The meeting recorded its thanks to the Archdeacon for his helpful guidance.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Wednesday 8th
December, by Zoom.
The Archdeacon closed the meeting with a Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 13th October 2021, 7.30pm at All Saints Church, Kingston
Minutes
Present
John Dewhurst (Chair), William Allberry, Richard Clark, Philip Davies, Alastair Deller,
Yvonne Fitzpatrick, Eithne Fray, Jonathan Gillard, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson
(Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Daniel Kelly, Lucy Robinson, Paul Thompson,
Mary Warman, Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes.
William opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Peter Redell, Jennifer Pearce, Samantha Taylor, Philip Walker.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 21st September 2021 – minutes agreed with no changes.
3. Matters arising
o Item 11 Trees in the churchyard. The response from the Council seems to indicate
that we will be responsible for organising the pruning or replacing of the overgrown
trees in the churchyard but we will receive £4,000 towards the costs of this. Jonathan
agreed to request clarification of the issue of responsibility for the work.
o Item 7 Switching off of phones. A request for phones to be switched off or on silent
during services has been made.
o Item 11 Topical lunches. Juliet Coombe has expressed an interest in taking this on.
Pippa will see us through the next two, already arranged. The guest for the second of
these (Thursday 18th November) is Jo Moulton, Corporate Head of Culture and
Heritage (her full name wasn’t included in the minutes of the last meeting).
o Item 11 Camera Equipment. The PCC voted unanimously to agree to spending the
remainder of the RBK Covid recovery grant on upgrading the church camera
equipment including the associated pc for the on-line streaming of services, plus
repairs to one of the CCTV cameras and general tidying up of the wiring. This will be
undertaken by Ashdown who installed the original system.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/19-30/09/19–01/01/21-30/09/2021.
The financial details were circulated to the PCC before the meeting. They show a surplus of
£31,186, although there are a number of costs yet to come.
As previously noted, it was impossible to produce a budget for this year given the ongoing
uncertainties in relation to the covid 19 restrictions. However, Alastair will be producing a
budget for 2022 in consultation with others.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for his work in providing the financial reporting.
Stewardship. We would usually begin the annual stewardship campaign on All Saints Day.
However, given the difficulties of the last year the meeting agreed that it would be sensible to
hold off for this year and to restart the campaign on All Saints Day 2022.
5. Interregnum
John Kiddle, The Archdeacon of Wandsworth, will attend the PCC meeting of the 16th
November to provide guidance.
The meeting recorded thanks to Jonathan for providing a preaching rota covering every
service until the end of January.
William wished the meeting to know that he would be accepting remuneration for officiating
at services during the vacancy; this would be at half the Diocesan rate (£20.20 per service).
6. Church Life Review
• The training sessions for the vergers have been greatly appreciated.
• Events stewarding. The meeting was grateful to John for managing to allocate
stewards for every event in this coming season, in spite of a limited number of
volunteers. Appeals have gone out for more to join the team.
• There will post-service opportunities to say farewell to Jonathan and his family –
Sunday 17th October after the 9.30am service and also after Evensong (taking place
at 4.30pm).
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
The contents of the first aid boxes have been reviewed and updated where necessary to make
them more suitable for everyday requirements. These are located in the office, the west end
cupboard, the south door cupboard and a smaller box behind the café counter.
8. Kingston Team News
We will resume our team services when we feel it is safe to do so post-pandemic.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting held on the 4th October were
circulated to the meeting. There was nothing arising from these. The next meeting will be on
Monday 1st November at 7pm via Zoom.
10. Any Other Business
To mark Jonathan’s last PCC meeting, John expressed our deep gratitude to Jonathan for his
leadership and wisdom over the years and our good wishes to him and his family for the
future.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 16th
November.
The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 21st September 2021, 7.30pm at All Saints Church, Kingston
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), William Allberry, Richard Clark, Alastair Deller, John
Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Jonathan Gillard, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna,
Jeremy Jeffreys, Daniel Kelly, Peter Redell, Paul Thompson, Philip Walker, Mary Warman.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Yvonne Fitzpatrick, Richard Hawkins, Jennifer Pearce, Lucy
Robinson, Samantha Taylor.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 5th July 2021 – minutes agreed with no changes.
3. Matters arising – there were no matters arising.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/19-31/08/19–01/01/21-31/08/2021.
The financial details were circulated to the PCC before the meeting. They show a surplus of
£36,709. The meeting noted that we have received grants totalling £52,214 (from furlough
payments, NLHF covid recovery grant and RBK grants).
The 2020 accounts have yet to be closed; we hope to be able to do this shortly on receipt of
final figures in relation to accruals.
As previously noted, it was impossible to produce a budget for this year given the ongoing
uncertainties in relation to the covid 19 restrictions. However, Alastair will be producing a
budget for 2022 in consultation with others.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for his work in providing the financial reporting.
5. Interregnum (Guidelines for a Parish in Vacancy)
This document was circulated to the PCC for information. The Archdeacon will attend the
PCC meeting of the 16th November to provide guidance.
6. “Behind the scenes”
Jonathan’s insight into how various decisions and actions in relation to the life of All Saints
were influenced was circulated to the meeting for interest, going forward.
7. Church Life Review
• It was good to have the children’s workshops back; a rota is in place for
October/November.
• Consideration will be given to a notice in the pewsheet asking for phones to be
switched off or on silent during services.
8. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
Safeguarding issues were discussed under A.O.B.
9. Kingston Team News
• Mark Stafford’s licence runs through to November 2022.
• The congregations of St John the Evangelist and St John the Baptist have been invited
to Jonathan’s last service.
10. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting held on the 6th September
were circulated to the meeting. There was nothing arising from these. The next meeting will
be on Monday 4th October at 7pm.
11. Any Other Business
Homelessness. Isabel reported on the situation in relation to homelessness in Kingston. The
2020 Winter Night Shelter was in progress at the start of the initial lockdown – and shortly
after this there was the ‘everyone in’ call from Government. The Local Authority partnered
with KCAH housed a total of 147 people in the following 14 months. Funding was secured by
the Local Authority to enable KCAH and Spear to support those who had been temporarily
housed during the pandemic to move into longer-term accommodation. As of last week, 14
remain rough-sleeping on the streets of Kingston. A Romanian worker has been taken on to
offer access to support in their own language to the Roma rough sleepers in the town.
Currently there are no plans to run the Winter Night Shelter – a statement from Public Health
England is awaited. If it is decided that the shelter is needed KCAH will look to partners who
have helped over the preceding 15 years, including All Saints where we have consistently
provided venue and volunteers during that time.
Topical lunches. Two more topical lunches are planned: Kirsten Henley from Kingston First
and Jo ???? who runs the museum service. Someone is needed to ensure the continuation of
Topical Lunches: this involves selecting guests, making the arrangements and chairing the
meeting. Anyone interested or who knows someone who might be suitable should contact
Jonathan.
Deputy Churchwarden – children. Sarah Gordon-Stewart has had to resign from the role of
Deputy Churchwarden with responsibility for children. Eithne has agreed to take on the role
and this proposal was agreed unanimously.
Part-time caretaker. It was agreed that it would be helpful to have a second part-time
caretaker to help out on the days when Richard is unavailable. It would be good to have
someone who could also attend at weekends when needed. We will continue to look for
someone suitable. S/he will be appointed on a fixed one-year contract with a view to a
permanent appointment, finances permitting.
Services during interregnum. It has been agreed that there will be no Family service and no
Tuesday Holy Communion during the interregnum.
Trees in churchyard. The Council will allocate £4,000 to us for the pruning of the trees in
the churchyard – the organisation of this will be our responsibility. We need to obtain an
estimate of the likely costs. Any agreement will need to be carefully recorded to safeguard
arrangements for the future. The PCC was generally in favour of accepting the payment from
the Council but would prefer the Council to be responsible for the practical arrangements.
Jonathan will continue discussions with the Council.
Safeguarding in relation to photography and filming during services. In relation to this, it
is our responsibility to judge what is a safeguarding matter and what isn’t based on the focus
of the activity taking place and any relationships existing between the photographer and those
being filmed at the service. We should err on the side of caution if in doubt. Any filming
should not be invasive or disruptive. However, we should bear in mind the benefits of sharing
positive images of church services.
Café update Kingston College. The College is terminating its agreement with All Saints as it
has been offered a venue with a better spread of activities for the students. Various options
have been considered for the subsequent running of the Café and it has been decided that
Sarah Cogger provides the flexibility needed to run a community café such as ours with our
particular aims and our mix of visitors. Sarah will take over from half-term but Eva will be
back for the second half to support the students who need to attend for the remainder of the
term. We will encourage the College to continue its relationship with us where possible. The
income from the café will be reviewed each year.
Camera equipment update. Jonathan will begin to work on identifying and getting costs for
improved camera equipment for the live streaming as it appears that we will have sufficient
funds to be able to go ahead with this. We also need to review the positioning of the camera
to avoid having to close the west doors to avoid problems with reflections.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Thursday 14th
October.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Monday 5th July 2021, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), William Allberry, Richard Clark, Philip Davies, Alastair
Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan
Jathanna, Peter Redell, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Philip Walker, Mary Warman.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Yvonne Fitzpatrick, Jonathan Gillard, Jeremy Jeffreys, Tsetsy Kavanozova,
Jennifer Pearce.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 14th June 2021 – minutes agreed subject to a correction under
Item 5. Rector’s items – Interregnum – Heritage: Kevin Davis is Kingston Council’s Leader
of the Opposition and his name is spelt ‘Davis’.
3. Matters arising
PCC meeting, 14th June 2021:
• Christian Aid – the total collected was £22,000 – congratulations to all responsible
for this excellent result and thanks to our representatives – Tsetsy and Angelina.
• Twinning – it was generally agreed that this is in theory a lovely idea but we need to
know more about it. Samantha, Eithne and Richard (Hawkins) have volunteered to
look further into the options. The first step will be to contact the Diocese: Jonathan
will forward the Diocesan contact details to them.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/19-31/05/19–01/01/21-30/06/2021.
Once again, because of the difficulties in trying to produce a budget for this year due to the
uncertainties of last year, we have continued to use the final income/expenditure figures for
2019 for comparison purposes. The income/expenditure figures are as follow:
Income: £139,583; Expenditure: £108,806 (including grants etc)
Alastair produced a second set of figures excluding any grants and furlough contributions:
Income: £71,198; Expenditure: £75,541: deficit: £4,343, resulting in a surplus of £30,777.
This becomes a deficit of £19,007 when grants (£41,630) and furlough (£8,154) are removed.
There was a deficit for the same period in 2019 of £19,083.
The HLF Covid-recovery grant (£18,613) has funded contributions to salary costs, the new
donation box in the church, new toy boxes for the children’s area. The amount remaining
(approx. £4,485) will be used to improve signage (noticeboards in the church grounds need
refurbishment). We have also received a contribution from the Borough in lieu of lost income
(Covid restrictions meant that we lost our regular income from hiring out the building and
grounds (the building for concerts, weddings etc and the grounds for John Cogger’s activities
and the Christmas market and craft fair). Taking into account the grants received and if our
income stream improves in the next six months we could end the year with a surplus.
However, the £19,000 deficit last year, in real terms, means that we need to return that money
to our accounts: any surplus should be out back into reserve funds.
The management of the refurbishment loan. The Assistant Priests Residence Fund (approx.
£90,000) is registered as a separate charity. It was agreed that it will never be enough to fund
housing and that it would be helpful and would simplify matters if we could combine this
fund with All Saints Charity. Alastair has spoken to the Diocesan Finance Officer and the
Diocese is wholly supportive of this idea.
Jonathan shared his overview of, and insight into, the situation and outlined some options for
using this fund that we could consider.
Repairs to the roof and side structure of the Trinity Chapel. This was raised in the
Quinquennial Report (2018) and is something that will have to be carried out within the
forthcoming years. The possibility of applications for grants to cover this work will be looked
into.
Repayment of loan. We balance our budget on a large sum of money coming from the use of
the church grounds (approx. £50,000). £30,000 of this is from the entertainments run by John
Cogger, for which we are very grateful; the downside, however, is that the form taken by
these entertainments damages the appearance of the grounds (this has previously been
discussed by the PCC: at the Meeting of 1st May 2019, Item 7: The churchyard). We could
consider some form of hard standing – for example the paving of a central square with the
heritage story incorporated and with removeable benches to allowed for mixed usage (the
entertainments plus an easily tidied area. However this would be likely to enable less income
from the churchyard generally. So, we might consider using the fund for the repayment of the
loan (the outstanding balance is £107,500) to reduce our outgoings thus placing less pressure
on our budgets.
Parish Support Fund pledge 2022. The Parish Support Fund contribution is paid to the
Diocese to help to cover the cost of ministry including stipend, NI and pension, housing,
training and support, support for parishes. Information regarding the PSF was circulate ahead
of the meeting. Our pledge for this year was the same as for last year to take account of our
reduced income. (Our contribution has traditionally been the previous year’s amount
increased by 2%). The meeting agreed by a majority of 13 to 2 that the contribution should
continue at the current level of £115,320.
5. Rector’s items.
The Role and Purpose of the PCC – a summary of the role and purpose of the PCC will be
circulated with the minutes; anything arising from this can be raised at the next meeting.
Change to the September meeting date – the September meeting of the PCC will take place
on Tuesday 14th September.
Parish Safeguarding Officer – the proposal by Jonathan of Rachel Davies to take on the role
of Parish Safeguarding Officer was welcomed and agreed to unanimously by the meeting.
Co-opting William Allberry – the meeting agreed unanimously to co-opt William Allberry
to the PCC.
6. Church Life Review
• The ordination service on 3rd July went well; as did that of Catherine Willis at
Guildford Cathedral (watchable on-line).
• Noise during weekday services. There was a noticeable amount of noise during one
of the Wednesday Holy Communion services. We want the church to be a place that a
wide range of people feel they can come to and be welcome. If we try to be too
restrictive we might discourage those who have found a place to be where they can
feel comfortable. Many people who come to the service don’t mind too much if there
is some background noise from other parts of the church but we do sound the gong to
announce that a service is about to start. This issue was discussed at the PCC meeting
of March 2021 and noted in the minutes of that meeting as follows:
“5. Noise. The meeting discussed Jonathan’s paper responding to observations made
in relation to the Parish Strategy grid item at the previous meeting. It is important that
we do the best we can to manage disturbances/clashes of interest arising from
activities in the church. If the church is used as we hoped it would be following the
refurbishment we cannot entirely eradicate noise, nor would we want to as we would
lose more than we gained. There are certain fixed points in the church timetable (e.g.
weekday services; choir practice) which we should keep (after the refurbishment,
views were canvassed regarding the timing of the weekday services and times fixed
accordingly). Those attending the services are generally accepting of some
background noise. We have already identified ways in which we can mitigate noise
from the café and we need to make sure everyone is regularly reminded to ensure that
these are followed. Monday concerts: David Robinson will announce them making
sure that the East-end speakers are on; during the concerts non-noisy plates (paper)
and cutlery (wood) should be used. We know that All Saints is a special place for
many children and carers. But we also accept that we need to manage children
running in the café area as there are a number of risks attached to this: to the children
themselves and to others (people carrying hot food and drinks, less able visitors). The
meeting agreed that we wanted to keep the accessibility and feeling of being
welcomed, especially important for those who don’t come into church regularly, but
that a certain amount of management is needed.”
• 19th July. It has been agreed that the choir will sing until the end of July as we have
been so long without them. The meeting was felt that an increase in the number
singing was manageable given the space available in the church.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
The election of Rachel Davies as Parish Safeguarding Officer was noted.
8. Kingston Team News. There was nothing to report under this heading.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting held on the 8th June were
circulated to the meeting. There was nothing arising from these. The next meeting will be on
Monday 19th July.
10. Any Other Business
Homelessness. There will be an update at the next meeting on the arrangements for the
homeless in the area.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 14th
September.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Monday 14th June 2021, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Richard Clark, Alastair Deller, John Dewhurst, Yvonne
Fitzpatrick, Eithne Fray, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna,
Jeremy Jeffreys, Peter Redell, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Mary Warman.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Philip Davies, Jonathan Gillard, Daniel Kelly, Jennifer Pearce,
Philip Walker.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 6th May 2021 – minutes agreed with no amendments; Minutes of
A.G.M. 23rd May 2021 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
PCC meeting, 6th May 2021 – there were no matters arising.
A.G.M. 23rd May 2021 – there were no matters arising.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/19-31/05/19–01/01/21-31/05/2021.
Given all the uncertainties of last year it wasn’t possible to produce a budget for 2020 or 2021.
The final income/expenditure figures for 2019 have been used instead for comparison
purposes. As soon as the 2020 Accounts have been finalised Alastair will produce a budget
for this year. The income/expenditure figures are as follow:
Income: £99,828; Expenditure: £85,874 (including grants etc)
Alastair produced a second set of figures excluding any grants and furlough contributions:
Income: £71,198; Expenditure: £75,541: deficit: £4,343
The deficit for the same period in 2019 was: £16,486.
We have received a Covid-recovery grant from the HLF of £18,613 which has funded
contributions to salary costs, the new donation box in the church, new toy boxes for the
children’s area and signage. There is £3,900 remaining. Our financial health will depend on
how we can manage and improve our income stream and the coming months will be key. Our
income via stewardship giving just covers our Parish Support Fund contribution to the
Diocese. We have to raise the additional money ourselves for staff, day-to-day running costs,
utilities, insurance and the maintenance of the building. Some music is starting to come back
into Church (the Kingston Chamber Orchestra concerts) and we had two days of ITV filming
in the Church. There will also be some functions – weddings and so forth. Our income is at
present heavily dependent on the use of the church grounds.
Our cash position is reasonably satisfactory. Our current accounts currently total £57,500; the
Saxon Kings embroidery fund: £44,308; fabric find (designated for church repairs): £26,977;
general fund: £53,975.
At our next meeting we will consider the following issues: how we handle the outstanding
amount from the loan, taken out in 2014 to enable us to complete the Church refurbishment –
we could reduce our expenditure by paying it down); the Assistant Priest’s Residence Fund
(we will be approaching the Charity Commissioners to try to combine the APRF (approx.
£97,000) which is currently a separate charity, with the Church charity; the fabric fund.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for putting together the figures for the meeting,
and for all his work as Treasurer.
5. Rector’s items.
Interregnum
Jonathan will be leaving All Saints in October this year, his last Sunday taking services will
be Sunday 17th. He is having a break after this so the interregnum will officially begin on
14th November 2021. The Archdeacon is away on sabbatical at present but will, in due course,
come to talk us through the process (in our Diocese the average period of interregnum is nine
months). Jonathan gave a broad outline of the process. The PCC consults widely within the
congregation to build up an idea of the sort of person who would be appropriate and also to
build a parish profile. The PCC should try to look at as many examples of parish profiles as
we can in order to help us focus on the requirements of this task. We would probably be
looking at having a shortlist in place by Easter 2022 with interviews in early summer. This
could mean a new incumbent starting with us in September 2022.
Suggestions on how to maintain Church life during the interregnum. There are three main
strands to accommodate: Worship (Sunday services, and others, weddings etc); the Church
office; Heritage work.
Worship: William Allberry will lead on this with sandy Cragg Supporting. The Bishop and
Archdeacon will come to All Saints on the Sunday after Jonathan leaves to invest authority in
William.
Church office. This will be run in the usual way by Jenny Bridges. John Dewhurst will
oversee the day-to-day issues and will advise where needed on the hiring out of the Church.
Heritage. Pippa Joiner will continue with her good work in this area. William will line
manage her responsibilities in relation to Church volunteers. There has recently been good
connections with the Borough wishing to work with us (Market House development; Church
grounds improvements; moving the Coronation Stone) and it is worth us spending some time
on this. The deputy leader of the council, Kevin Davies, is willing to support Pippa in this and
has offered to be on the PCC. Jonathan recommends co-opting Kevin to enable this to happen.
Churchwardens. Roshan and John, as Churchwardens, oversee this structure with increased
responsibility during the interregnum. Monthly meetings will be held within the working
partnerships as described above.
Chairing of PCC meetings. William will attend the PCC meetings but does not wish to chair
them. Roshan and John have discussed and agreed that John will chair the PCC meetings
from October, with the structure outlined above running from the beginning of September.
Living in Love and Faith
The message from the Bishop in relation to the Church of England’s ‘Living in Love and
Faith’ project was circulated to the PCC in advance of the meeting. It is a national call to
reflection on issues of sexuality. There is a wide range of views on these issues and it is felt
important to try to find some common ground. Given the very different views, however, it is
clear that, although good discussions can take place, it is unlikely that minds will be changed.
The process in which we are invited to participate is to churches only rather than the wider
community. The timescale is also problematic with a deadline of November 2021 for
completion of discussions. We have previously considered these issues as a parish and the
meeting felt that our views had not changed. An informal show of hands confirmed that the
majority of PCC members did not agree with the Church of England position. The meeting
decided not to take part in the process. It was emphasised that individuals are free to make
their views known to those organising the project.
The Role and Purpose of the PCC – this will be discussed at the next meeting.
6. Church Life Review
• Given the broadcasting on line of the main Sunday service and the wider audience
this entails it was felt that we shouldn’t re-instate the naming of those we pray for on
the intercessions list. The priest conducting the Wednesday Communion will name
those wishing to be prayed for. Jonathan will make sure that this is more widely
known.
• We can open doors in the hot weather but we have to guard against squirrels entering
and the subsequent problems in catching and evicting them that ensue.
• The options for twinning, mentioned at the previous meeting, will be revisited.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
Amanda Moore needs to step down as her safeguarding office and we will need to identify
someone suitable to take over this important role. We should let Jonathan know if we are
willing to take it on or can suggestion a potential candidate. The meeting recorded thanks to
Amanda for all her good and vital work in this role.
8. Kingston Team News. There was nothing to report under this heading.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meetings held on the 10th May and
8th June were circulated to the meeting. There was nothing arising from these.
10. Any Other Business
• The GoodPlate. It was agreed, given the dwindling use of cash, that it would be
worthwhile to invest in a brass collection plate incorporating a programmable
electronic payment terminal for use when we resume collections at services. This will
enable there to be a cash option as we are currently in a transitional period. The cost
is £200 plus a monthly fee of £8 which it was felt would soon be recouped by the use
of the new payment method. The admittedly quite small number of churches using
these reported a significant increase in giving via this method.
• Christian Aid. The meeting thanked Tsetsy and Angelina for their work on behalf of
the Church for Christian Aid week. Over £15,000 was raised by the churches
participating.
• Protect duty. Proposed new legislation following the Manchester concert hall
bombing was likely to have an impact of the viability of churches wishing to be open
and to be used as venues. Although well intentioned in its aim to prevent such
incidents happening again it likely to have serious consequences for churches as it
was difficult to see how churches could afford the potentially high number of extra
staff required plus the high costs of professionally training all involved in keeping the
church open day-to-day and for events. Jonathan has already responded on our behalf
to the on-line consultation but individual responses are also important in making our
particular circumstances know to those proposing the legislation and PCC members
are all encouraged to respond as well.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Monday 5th July 2021.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 6th May 2021, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Philip Davies, Alastair Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray,
Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Daniel
Kelly, Jennifer Pearce, Lucy Robinson, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker,
Mary Warman.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Jonathan Gillard, Steve Guy, Peter Redell.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 16th March 2021 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
Eden Craft. We have agreed a three-year commitment with Eden Crafts for the letting of the
church grounds to them for the Christmas Craft Fair. The fee per year will be as follows: 2021:
£18.000; 2022: £19,000; 2023: £20,000. The marquee will be on the larger of the North lawns
with open-plan food stalls on the smaller side.
Garden of Remembrance. The new site proposed for the Garden of Remembrance is on the
Portsmouth Road river side. It will have better access than the church grounds and will be
possibly be seen as being more inclusive for people of different faiths or none than church
grounds.
All Saints Art installation. There has been a good response to the art installation. We will
look at the possibility of using the raw data from this to enable a 3-D tour of the church via
our website.
4. Finance
All Saints Accounts 2020. A final draft of the Accounts for 2020 was circulated to the PCC.
The Statement of Financial Activities showed the total income as £325,240 and total
expenditure as £287,722. If we exclude the £43,782 from the Saxon Kings embroidery
designated fund we have a deficit of £6,254 over the year. We were greatly helped by grants
totalling £76,422: the deficit without these would be £82,686 (we lost all Christmas income
and most of the income from John Cogger’s rental). The cash amounts in our various
accounts would be available to cover our losses if needed.
Acceptance of the Accounts was proposed to the meeting by Alastair Deller and seconded by
Paul Thompson. The proposal was accepted unanimously. The Accounts will now be
forwarded to the Independent Examiner, Robert W Woolley.
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/20-30/04/20–01/01/21-30/04/2021.
These were circulated to the PCC in advance of the meeting. The end of April deficit is
£12,319 (this was £46,734 at the same time last year). As is to be expected, given the periods
of church closure, plate collections are down. Expenditure on all salaries is lower than last
year due to the job retention furlough scheme. We will expect income to start picking up in
the second half of the year. We have been able to pay the same amount to the Parish Support
Fund as for last year and John Dewhurst reported that the Diocese is extremely grateful for
this.
The meeting was sorry to hear that our independent examiner, Robert Woolley, is soon to
retire. Alastair will be proposing the election, at the A.G.M., of Sarah Wearing (from the
same firm, HPH Chartered Accountants) to take over. Robert will remain in a consultative
capacity.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for his work in preparing the accounts.
5. A.G.M.
The A.G.M. for this year will take place on 23rd May, in Church after the morning service.
The meeting recorded thanks to Jennifer, Steve and Beryl who will be standing down at the
A.G.M. following their three years on the PCC.
6. Coming out of lockdown
We have received a further NLHF grant of £22,000. We are grateful to Lucy who was
instrumental in helping Jonathan and Pippa in their thinking about the grant. Half of this will
help with staff costs. The remainder will be used towards repairs as follows: a tap and a light
in the cloakroom; the path lights on the North side of the church; the renewal of the outside
noticeboards; presentation forum for contactless donations machine plus a cash donations
transparent box; children’s area upgrade to include four wooden chests to smarten it up and
money to pay for someone to run Little Saints for a few months to get it up and running again.
We didn’t apply for money for the shop function in church and did not get the money for the
camera upgrade. The sound microphones will be improved; the camera will be kept on our
agenda with a view to an upgrade later in the year when the financial situation is more
predictable.
Fund-raising for the £35,000 needed for the renewal of the choir cassocks is quite urgent. The
Friends of Cathedral Music will accept an application from us and there are one or two other
trusts to which we could apply.
There will be a NHLF application for further development including the movement of the
Coronation Stone to the corner of the grounds opposite Barclays Bank; improvement of
external areas; the development of the shop. Ptolemy Dean will be consulted for architectural
in-put; it will also be important to consult church users and other interested parties when
drawing up plans.
We have had good responses from Museum and Heritage Services and support from the
current leader of the council.
7. Church Life Review
Singing in church. No indication yet of when restrictions on singing will be lifted.
Ordination ceremony. Ordinations will be reviewed shortly by the Bishop to see how they
will work this year. All Saints has been booked on 3rd July for the Ordination Service(s) this
year and will be holding them for the next 5 years.
Singing outside church. Could we consider leaving church to sing the final hymn of the
9.30am service outside? This will be considered – views to Jonathan, please.
Family Service questionnaire. This was sent out but so far only one reply has been received.
Twinning ideas. We will look at the possibility of twinning with churches in other countries.
8. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
• The quarterly meeting of the safeguarding officers, Jonathan and Pippa will be
held next week.
• Paul and Roshan have now carried out the Annual Fabric Inspection. Thanks to
them for doing this.
9. Kingston Team News. Jonathan has recently met with Mandy Beck and Mark Stafford.
There is not much to report but it was agreed that there wouldn’t be a joint service this year. It
will be reinstated next year and will take place at St John the Evangelist.
10. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meetings held on the 12th April
were circulated to the meeting.
11. Any Other Business
Jonathan discussed with the churchwardens whether or not to hold an Ascension Day service
this year – they decided against it. Mid-week evensong on 12th May will be dedicated to the
Ascension.
Next PCC Meeting. Please note change of date: the next meeting of the PCC will take place
on Monday 14th June 2021.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 9th February 2021, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Alastair Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Jonathan
Gillard, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Jennifer Pearce, Peter
Redell, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker, Mary Warman, Katherine Willis.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Philip Davies, Steve Guy, Daniel Kelly, Lucy Robinson.
2. Minutes of last meeting, 14th January 2021 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
(a) Upload speed improvement. We will get a 5G mobile receiver for the church office
through which we should get an improved upload speed. We will try it out for a period of
time (but can return it if unsatisfactory within the first two weeks); a failure to meet
guaranteed upload speeds should negate the contract – we will check that this is so. If this
ultimately doesn’t work out for us an aerial will be obtained. Our lottery bid includes a sum
for the cost of an aerial and also for a new camera. For the time being the existing office
connections will be kept running.
(b) Ways to redress financial shortfall. These will be discussed under “4. Finance”, below.
(c) Giving to good causes. The sub-committee will meet next week to discuss suggestions for
suitable charities to add to the “good causes” list.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/2019–31/12/2020.
These were circulated to the PCC in advance of the meeting and are very nearly complete,
representing almost final figures. Our deficit at the end of 2019 was £6,829 and at the end of
2020 is £16,501 (2020 income includes approximately £50,000 in grants and £21,000 from
the job retention furlough scheme). There is still tax to be recovered under the Gift Aid
scheme (approx. £28,633 – this includes the Saxon Kings donation) for which Alastair has
submitted the necessary details. We have not had to touch our reserves so far and will not
have to do so for the next few months. The 2020 figures are now with the independent
examiner. (There may be a delay in getting them certified due to Covid-related changes in
working arrangements and, in addition to that, a family bereavement.) We are awaiting
accruals in order to finalise the January 2021 figures. Financial figures for January and
February 2021 will be available at next month’s PCC meeting.
Ways to redress financial shortfall.
A two-fold approach is planned.
(a) Regular hirers. The aim is to recover and restore pre-Covid levels of income from
hiring out of the church and grounds as quickly as possible. Contact will be made
with regular hirers of the building (the choirs who hire on a weekly basis and the
regular concert hirers) and then we will look at one-off hiring opportunities. We will
also need John Cogger to return to the grounds and the Craft Fair at Christmas. There
will also be the reopening of the Café. Communications with regular hirers indicate
that everyone is looking forward to coming back.
(b) New ways to attract income. We believe there is scope to increase hire of the church
for weddings/receptions and will be focusing on this; the Lottery bid includes an
advertising budget for this. We will also make a further Lottery bid for an amount for
an upscaling of the shop. In addition to this, we want to engage with the many people
who feel connected to All Saints in all sorts of different ways but are not necessarily
members of the congregation – this, we think, could be achieved with something
along the lines of a “Friends” organisation.
Please do not hesitate to send any other suggestions or ideas to Jonathan.
5. Policies
The meeting reviewed the policies listed in the Agenda, along with the suggested amendment
to the Health and Safety policy. The meeting agreed that some wording should be added that
amendment to indicate that the Covid guidelines are not a permanent addition. (Mary has
subsequently provided an additional sentence which is added below.)
The policies were proposed by Mary and seconded by Roshan. All policies were approved
unanimously by the meeting subject to the addition of the Covid-related amendment to the
Health and Safety policy as follows:
“From March 2020 the global Coronavirus pandemic necessitated following guidelines and
precautions as directed by the Government and the Church of England:
1. In and Out doors (with clear signage) and a one-way system
2. Hand sanitiser provided at all entry and exit points and around the church.
3. Masks/face coverings obligatory except for those with a medical exemption certificate
4. Social distancing (at least 2 metres)
5. Regular cleaning including sanitising chairs and all touched surfaces
6. Provision of Communion “in one kind” (cessation of the shared communion chalice)
Any or all of these precautions will remain in place as long as dictated by the guidelines or
local circumstances.”
Annual fabric inspection. This will be carried out as soon as is feasible and brought back to
the PCC for review.
6. Church Life Review – strategy grid
The meeting congratulated John Dewhurst on his re-election to the post of Kingston Deanery
Synod Lay Chair.
At the recent Deanery Synod meeting a presentation by The Revd Canon Jay Colwill included
a slide “A Parish Strategy during Covid-19”. This was circulated ahead of this meeting to
provide a basis for discussion looking forward. Various thoughts and comments were shared
and have been set out on the grid (attached) – to be discussed/added to and revisited at the
next PCC meeting. (click to download here:A Parish Strategy during Covid_)
The volunteer leaders’ forum will begin thinking about the re-opening of the church and the
resumption of all church life as soon as it is possible – they will be meeting at the end of
February.
The meeting recorded thanks and appreciation to Jonathan and the clergy team, David and
Matthew, and Roshan for their contributions to the streamed services and to all others who
have played a part (e.g. those who have recorded readings and intercessions), or who have
helped in any other way in the creation of our new form of worship.
Also, Katherine’s contribution to our Church Life, especially her lovely Children and families
reading, reflection and prayer, on 3rd Feb.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
Nothing was raised under this item.
8. Kingston Team News. Jonathan will be meeting Mandy Beck (St John the Baptist) and
Mark Stafford (St John the Evangelist) next week. Mark’s interim appointment has been
extended until November this year.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting of 1st February were
circulated to the meeting.
10. Any Other Business
A.G.M. 2021. The Diocese has extended the time within which A.G.M.s should be held to
31st May this year and it was felt that we should hold our A.G.M. a little later than usual to
allow for the Accounts to be finalised and for Church life to settle down a bit more. The
A.G.M. will therefore be held on Sunday 23rd May 2021
Deanery Synod papers. It was agreed that the Agenda and subsequent minutes for each
meeting of the Deanery Synod would be circulated to the members of the PCC. If anyone
wishes to see any of the papers for the meeting or presentation details they can ask to have
copies forwarded to them.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 16th March
2021.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 14th January 2021, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Philip Davies, Alastair Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray,
Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Jennifer
Pearce, Lucy Robinson, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker, Mary Warman,
Katherine Willis.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
The meeting welcomed Katherine Willis, Ordinand on placement from the Guildford training
scheme, who will be with us from January through to the end of March.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Martin Corner, Jonathan Gillard, Peter Redell, Steve Guy.
2. Minutes of last meeting 26th November 2020 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
• National Lottery Heritage Fund application (NLHF – PCC Meeting 26.11.20, item
5). Following the publication of the guidelines for applicants, it has been decided that
this is not quite the right fund for us and we will not be going ahead with this
application. We will instead be submitting an application to a different fund run by
the NLHF aimed at helping organisations survive the current crisis and exploring
other options they may have for a wider development of our work.
• Winter Nightshelter 2021 (PCC Meeting 26.11.20, item 8). Due to the current
Covid-related restrictions there will be no Nightshelter this year. Thanks to funding
from Central Government, the ‘Winter Provision’, via Kingston Council, KCAH can
place people currently on the streets into hotel accommodation and Joel should also
reopen before the end of February. As there are fewer than 10 people on the streets in
Kingston at the moment there should be some sort of offer available to them should
they choose to take it.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/2020–31/12/2020 and 01/01/2019–
31/12/2019. These were circulated to the PCC in advance of the meeting. The overall total
income to 31 December 2020 is £236,188 as against £288,268 for 2019. As is to be expected,
income from plate collections and donations via wall safes is substantially down. The best
way to donate is contactless: this became available on 15th June 2020 and currently stands at
£2053. There is also the on-line donations option via the website (£924 donated this way last
month). There is still tax to be recovered under the Gift Aid scheme (approx. £22,000) when
the details have been entered into the system. This has been accrued under Gift Aid in the
accounts along with £1,250 under GASDS. Church usage and café rental understandably are
down on last year. Church usage (£12,527) is mostly from January and February 2020; we
have the café rent from the college and there is £850 to come from Sarah Cogger for the
running of the café during the college holiday periods. The rent from the church grounds is
also down – John Cogger hasn’t been able to be there as he would normally expect to be
resulting in an income of £10,000 instead of 2019’s £31,319. The amount under ‘Grants
Received’ (£45,800) comprises £43,300 from NLHF and £2,500 from the All Churches Fund
for the roof alarm. The amount of £4,000 under Giving to Good Causes is accrued from last
year. The deficit at the end of 2019 was £6,829; for 2020 it is £19,376. There will
undoubtedly be a testing year ahead.
We currently have amounts in our various accounts as follows: everyday current account
(£3,807), main current account (£25,989), missions deposit account (£40,000) (primarily for
Saxon Kings embroidery), CCLA (£53,975) and the fabric fund (26,925) comprise a total of
approximately £150,000. Our situation is therefore not nearly as bad as it might have been.
We would also have been in a very much worse position without the NHLF grant and the job
retention furlough scheme (approx. £71,000). We are as always grateful to the members of
the congregation for their pledged giving and responses to the stewardship campaign at the
end of last year have been good, with amounts mostly maintained or increased.
However, we need to look at our finances within the context of the size of our operation
which entails the maintenance of a huge ancient building and the employment of five
members of staff. Money from congregational giving covers only our Parish Support Fund
pledge to the Diocese. All other costs for the church have to be found elsewhere and a deficit
seems inevitable. It is clear that we need to try to broaden our income base and a successful
grant application will help us to do this by enabling us to invest in the development of the
shop and to create a friends organisation, perhaps getting some professional help to do this.
5. Lent
Our usual practice for Lent is to have Lent talks in the Church and Lent groups for reflection
and discussion. This year there will be Lent lunchtime conversations, contributors yet to be
identified, to provide weekly reflections via Zoom or YouTube. For Lent groups, we could
have a selection of readings for personal meditation and reflection, along the lines of Martin’s
course last year. They could be chosen either by one person or by a variety of people –
Jonathan will look at what might work best. After those participating have read the passage,
the person who selected the reading could run a discussion on Zoom.
There will be an Ash Wednesday service of some kind on 17th February, most likely, by
necessity, on YouTube.
6. Church Life Review
Supporting the bereaved in the community. The meeting agreed that there were people
who would appreciate the Church offering ways for the bereaved to remember loved ones
who have died. We discussed various ways that this could be achieved. These included: a
virtual Book of Remembrance on the All Saints web-site; a once a week lighting of candles in
the chapel with names read out privately (but with those who had made the request being
informed); mention in the pewsheet/on Facebook; once a month remembering people at the
service. The streaming of services makes the reading out of names problematic as regards
privacy issues, ie names will be broadcast potentially much more widely than at the
traditional form of service. Given that we plan to continue streaming services, this could be
an on-going problem (unless we obtain the permission of those requesting this). Jonathan will
assess the various options.
Cameras and streaming. Jonathan’s paper for discussion, ‘Improving our Live streaming’,
was circulated before the meeting and the views of the meeting were sought on the right
course of action to take. Most PCC members who expressed an opinion felt that it would be
good to improve the quality of the live streaming but these views ranged from a feeling that
what we currently have is still ‘at least 50% better than aural only’ and ‘the pixilation is a
nuisance but doesn’t nullify the value of the streaming’ to the view that the quality of what
we are producing at present is ‘disgraceful’. There was overall agreement that the priority
should be to solve the basic problem of the upload speed and that money spent on upgrading
cameras before this is done would be wasted. One way to improve the speed could be to
invest in a 4G/5G mast for the Church at a cost of around £400. The meeting felt that we
should find out what the best option might be and how much it would cost and then, if we
decide to go ahead, to put out an appeal for contributions to pay for it.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
Church closure. Following the rise in the Covid-19 infection rate the decision was taken to
close the church. It was felt that this was the safest thing to do – Jonathan thanked Roshan
and Mary for their good thoughts and contributions in coming to this decision.
Disclosure and Barring Service. All PCC members have either undertaken, or are in the
process of undertaking, a DBS check in line with the Church of England’s Safer Recruitment
Policy.
8. Kingston Team News. Mandy Beck at St John the Baptist and Mark Stafford at St John the
Evangelist are managing to get through these difficult times as best they can. We were
pleased to hear that Mark’s position has been extended for a further six months.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting of 11th January were
circulated to the meeting.
10. Any Other Business
Giving to good causes. Every three years we undertake a review of the good causes to which
we make donations. The emphasis is on supporting local organisations, at present these are:
Kingston Welcare, Kingston Samaritans, Kingston Churches Action on Homelessness,
Refugee Action Kingston, Momentum, RNLI, Médecins Sans Frontières, World Vision UK.
This year particularly our donations have been very gratefully received. Jennifer will convene
a meeting of a sub-committee consisting of Lucy, Mary, Beryl and Alastair to undertake the
review. There will be a pewsheet notice to request suggestions.
Craft Fayre 2021. For many years Dina rented the North Lawn of the Church for the Craft
Fayre each Christmas. Recently, we have co-operated with Kingston First in their aim to have
a themed look to the town centre. For Christmas 2020 none of this was possible but we felt let
down by Kingston First’s early withdrawal from their agreement with us. Dina has been in
touch to ask whether she could return this year. There was a generally positive feeling
towards this proposal as Dina has been reliable over the years and it is simpler to have a direct
relationship with the person renting the grounds (the person running the Alpine Village sublets
from Kingston First). It was suggested that we should review the terms and maybe
suggest a non-refundable deposit.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Tuesday 9th February
2021.
The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 14th October 2020, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Jonathan Gillard, Richard
Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Roshan Jathanna, Jeremy Jeffreys, Jennifer Pearce,
Peter Redell, Lucy Robinson, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
Jonathan welcomed especially Roshan, our new Churchwarden, and new members, Lucy and
Peter, to the meeting.
1. Apologies: Alastair Deller, Mary Warman, Steve Guy.
2. Minutes of APCM 27th September 2020 and last PCC meeting 10th September 2020 –
minutes of both meetings agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
There were no matters arising.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/2020-30/09/2020 and 01/01/2019-
30/09/2019. These were circulated to the meeting and Jonathan presented a brief overview.
As is to be expected, income is down and, given the reduced numbers visiting the church,
plate collections and donations via wall safes have dropped. Contactless giving is holding up
and now stands at £823 and some of the on-line giving is money that would have been
donated via the plate collections. Tax to be recovered under Gift Aid is still to come. The
NLHF Grant of £43,300 is the exceptional figure in the accounts. £21,000 is allocated to the
repairs to the Trinity Chapel roof. What is needed is something to fill the gap in the income
stream resulting from the lack of, or great reduction in, in the café rental, and hire of church
and church grounds. The remaining sum of the grant will, however, cover Jonathan’s salary
and contribute to the return to work of furloughed workers.
The £21,000 for the chapel roof repairs has yet to be included under expenditure. At present
the shortfall is around £10,000: we will have to wait to see what it will be for the full year. At
the moment the Christmas Market is planned to take place and it will be a great help to us if it
can go ahead. There are one or two other sources of grants to be investigated.
Attention was drawn to the discrepancy in the heat, light and water costs which Jonathan will
raise with Alastair.
6. Stewardship campaign (taken ahead of item 5 “The workings of the PCC”)
This regular annual event will take place later this year (around the end of November) when
we have more of a sense of how the year-end is shaping. It will take the form of a letter from
Jonathan and the churchwardens direct to our contacts appealing for a one-off donation or for
regular givers to reconsider whether they might be able to increase their giving. This will
largely be directed at the congregation (regular members already giving, regular members not
part of this scheme) but we will also try to reach non-congregation members in any other
ways that we can, eg a link on the website to our Facebook page; use of promotional film
(previously interviews with younger choir members to say what the church means to them);
appeals at service, which are now potentially reaching others via YouTube. We will also be
making the contactless donation point more prominent.
5. The workings of the PCC
Jonathan gave a brief explanation of the workings of the PCC for the benefit of the new
members. The PCC is the decision-making body of the church with the balance held between
the Rector, the Rector and Churchwardens and the PCC and with various layers of
responsibility. The Rector has responsibilities given by the Bishop (eg for staff, day-to-day
business, church matters) but does so in consultation with the PCC. Day to day decisions
relating to the running of the church will need to be taken by Jonathan, sometimes in
consultation with the Wardens, and, for strategic or larger matters, with the PCC. The lay
members represent the congregation and will consider what takes place in church, what we
should be doing: is the balance right? what more could we do? The representative function of
the PCC covers the whole life of the church including aspects of worship plus the fabric of
the building itself. Individuals will hold responsibility for certain aspects of the work,
working under the auspices of the PCC. An example is the Treasurer, who will provide the
detailed accounts and report regularly to the PCC. It can involve people not on the PCC, for
example, under health and safety and safeguarding matters.
All Saints is entitled to up to 15 elected members – this is decided by virtue of our electoral
roll having over 200 members; this also means that we are entitled to five Deanery Synod
representatives. The ex officio members include the churchwardens, any clergy and readers
licensed to the team, the treasurer and the Deanery Synod representatives.
7. Report from the questionnaire sub-committee
At the last meeting we looked at the two surveys, congregational and public, recently
conducted to help us to gain a view of how the church is regarded and whether anything
needed to be examined or changed. The congregational surveys had two main themes: the
appreciation of Jonathan’s leadership at All Saints and the importance to many of the music
in church. There were also a number of individual comments which did not fall into any
particular category and it was felt important that these should be acknowledged and
responded to – it may not be possible to agree with them all but we can explain the rationale
behind what we do. We should aim to improve what we do where possible but sometimes
compromise is needed and it is important that this is explained. At that meeting the PCC
agreed that a sub-group comprising Beryl, Jennifer, Carys, Jeremy, Eithne, Mary and Alastair
should be convened to look at the responses and then come up with suggestions for action to
be taken. The Report from the sub-committee was circulated ahead of this meeting and
various aspects of it discussed at the meeting. Jonathan will now address matters arising from
the feedback and put together a response to the results from the questionnaires and to the subcommittee’s
conclusions to share with the congregation. The meeting recorded its thanks to
Pippa for her analysis of the results.
8. Church Life Review
Social distancing at services. It was noted that the space within All Saints lent itself well to
the way we must be at present and the distancing worked well within the space.
Burns night. Will a socially distanced Burns night be possible?
The impact of Covid and remembering lost love ones. Unfortunately, we have had to
remove the prayer box due to the threat of transmitting the virus but the candle stand in the
Trinity Chapel is still available for lighting candles for remembrance and is being well-used
by visitors to the church (and includes safety features such as a one-way system and hand
sanitizer station).
Activities in Church. Some activities have re-started including the knitting group and
English conversation.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
There was nothing to report under this item.
8. Kingston Team News. Nothing new to report.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The notes from the meeting of 15th September were
circulated to the meeting. The meeting was sorry to hear that Michael was unable to continue
as Deputy Churchwarden due to health issues. Richard Clark is willing to undertake the role
and the meeting agreed to his election.
10. Any Other Business
Roof alarm. Jonathan and Paul have been looking into the installation of a roof alarm to
detect anyone trying to steal metal from the church roof. Our insurance premiums will
increase by 40% unless we get such an alarm. The meeting agreed that the purchase should go
ahead as it is a one-off expense (plus cost of maintenance) which will overall save us money.
There is also the possibility of half the cost being met by a grant. Jonathan and Paul have met
with alarm suppliers and will discuss which to use and then give the go ahead for the
installation.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Thursday 26th
November 2020.

The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 10th September 2020, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Alastair Deller, Eithne Fray, Carys Griffiths, Richard
Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Jeremy Jeffreys, Daniel Kelly, Anne Packer, Jennifer
Pearce, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker, Mary Warman.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: John Dewhurst, Jonathan Gillard, Martin Corner, Michael Bryant, Steve Guy.
2. Minutes of last meeting: 16th July 2020 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
Item 7: Christians Against Poverty. Following on from this item at the July PCC meeting,
Philip Walker has offered to be All Saints’ link with this organisation.
4. Church surveys
Anne Packer kindly put together a short note of introduction to the discussion of the
congregational and public surveys. This was circulated before the meeting.
The congregational surveys had two main themes: the appreciation of Jonathan’s leadership at
All Saints and the importance to many of the music in church. There were also a number of
individual comments which did not fall into any particular category and it was felt important
that these should be acknowledged and responded to – it may not be possible to agree with
them all but we can explain the rationale behind what we do. We should aim to improve what
we do where possible but sometimes compromise is needed and it is important that this is
explained.
It was agreed that a sub-group comprising Beryl, Jennifer, Carys, Jeremy, Eithne, Mary and
Alastair will look at the responses and then come up with suggestions for action to be taken.
Jonathan will contact those involved to arrange how the meeting will take place.
5. Finance
Annual Report & Financial Statements 2019. The final, certified copy of our 2019 Annual
Report & Financial Statements was circulated to the meeting for information only (the
accounts were approved at the June PCC meeting).
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/2020-31/08/2020 and 01/01/2019-
31/08/2019. These were circulated to the meeting and Alastair presented a brief overview.
Giving to the church is slightly up on last year which is good to see. As is to be expected,
given the closure of the church, plate collections and donations via wall safes have dropped.
Contactless giving now stands at £489. Daniel reported that all the Gift Aid information is
now with ‘My Giving’; the report is to be audited prior to the submission of the Gift Aid
claim. The Union Street shop rental is being paid monthly to help their cash flow. As
predicted, church grounds income is down as John Cogger is limited in the number of
activities he can provide. There was some income from church usage during January and
February but it is hard to predict when it will return to normal levels. Staff costs have been
reduced by the Government furlough scheme but will increase later in the year as staff return
to normal working, although this will be offset to some extent by the Heritage England grant.
Heat, light and water costs are down because the building wasn’t in use during lockdown. Our
cash flow is holding its own and we should be able to manage financially (payment of bills
and so forth) until at least the end of the year.
Heritage England grant application success. The meeting welcomed the news of the receipt
of a grant of £43,000. £20,000 of this will be in the fabric fund for use in carrying out the
repairs to the Trinity Chapel roof. The remaining sum will set off the lack of income during
the closure of the church and will contribute to the return to work of furloughed workers and
cover an element of Jonathan’s salary. The meeting expressed thanks for the work carried out
in the preparation of the grant application submission.
Parish Support Fund Pledge. The amount pledged for this year is £115,320 (£9,610 paid
monthly). We now need to decide on our pledge for 2021. Traditionally we have increased
the pledge by 2% per annum but Jonathan suggested that, given our reduced potential income,
we should consider pledging the same amount as for this year, rather than offering an
increase. We are very aware that we need to support the Diocese and to maintain our
contribution but it was felt that it would be risky to increase it.
The proposal of £115,320 for our 2021 Parish Support Fund Pledge was agreed unanimously.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for all his work in relation to the church finances
and accounts.
6. Church Life Review
Café open. It was good to have the café open once more even though it was only just
covering costs. It has recently begun to make a small profit but it was agreed that this should
be given to Sarah to offset the various cleaning requirements and staff expenses. The Café
recently received its 5-star health and safety award. We are currently awaiting guidance from
the Diocese to see when we might be able to resume other activities, eg Thursday coffee in
church; knitting group.
Church services. Church services are once again taking place in church with currently the
three Sunday services plus one weekday service on Wednesdays. Numbers attending were
low in August but stronger this week with also around 35 watching on-line. This Sunday,
choral singing will resume following distancing guidelines with approximately 14 singers.
On-line services. The on-line services will continue. It was noted that Jonathan’s mention in
the live service of those watching at home made it feel very inclusive. There is a need to look
at possibly upgrading the cameras with options for different cameras in different places. Costs
are being explored. Although it was agreed that this would be good, we also felt that the
quality had improved, particularly the sound, and that the services were generally very good.
Crown Court Service. This will take place on 5th October.
Ordination services. Due to the need to accommodate the large number of ordinands and
guests expected there will be three services on 17th October.
Remembrance Day. There will be no big public ceremonies for Remembrance Day.
Saints Alive. There is an edition in preparation – it is likely to be the equivalent of the
November/December/ January edition but with publication in October. We hope to be able to
include guidance on Christmas arrangements by then.
Christmas. Christmas Tree Festival: Jonathan will shortly be meeting Sandy and Liz to
discuss this. Kingston First are intending to use the church grounds again which should
generate a fee (this will be the same as last year). Cards for Good Causes plan to be back in
church and are currently working out safety requirements.
Visiting the church. It was agreed that visiting the church on weekdays as well as on
Sundays feels very safe. The meeting recorded its thanks to Yvonne Fitzpatrick for enabling
this to happen by taking on the organisation of the verger rota.
Listening. The meeting welcomed the news that the Listening service (distanced) has
restarted in church.
7. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
DBS reviews are being organised where needed. Time is also being spent to ensure that Covid
19 safety guidelines are being followed.
8. Kingston Team News. Mandy and Mark recently met Jonathan to keep in touch with how
we are all managing the various challenges of these times.
Isobel Robinson will be organising the annual shoebox appeal – information will be in the
pewsheet.
9. Deputy churchwardens’ meeting. The Thursday coffee morning mentioned in the notes of
this meeting should have been specified as the Zoom coffee group to avoid confusion (ie it is
not the in-church one).
10. Any Other Business
Anne and Leslie Packer. Anne and Leslie will be moving from Kingston to be closer to their
family. This is obviously a really nice thing for them to be planning but it will also be a great
loss to All Saints Church. Anne will be stepping down from the role of churchwarden at the
AGM on 27th September.
Topical lunches. The meeting recorded its thanks to Leslie for his great work in inspiring and
sustaining the regular series of Topical Lunches. The first one for this year will take place
next Thursday 17th September with Kingston First Chief Executive as guest speaker,
introducing a discussion of the challenges facing Kingston, with the move to online shopping,
and now the impact of Covid 19. The forthcoming programme is already largely in place but
a replacement for Leslie will be needed. Any suggestions for suitable candidates should be
made to Jonathan.
Churchyard bins. The original churchyard bins were removed when the Council provided
larger bins in the town centre, the idea being that these would accommodate all the rubbish
from around the town centre. It became clear that we still needed bins in the churchyard and
two were installed. The maintenance of these bins has become a chore and an expense – they
fill up quickly and we have to empty them and pay for the bags that are used in them. The
Council refuses to take any responsibility for this. The meeting agreed to the removal of the
bins to see what happens. The meeting recorded thanks to those who have emptied the bins on
the days that Richard isn’t in church (these include Isabel Isaacson, Mary Warman, Julia
Fionda, Nigel Duffin, Jonathan, and possibly others).
Churchwardens’ role. In order to reduce the size of the churchwardens’ job, Jonathan is
looking to develop a rota of people to take on the overseeing of the lay elements of church
services (eg making sure readers and servers are present etc). They would be responsible for
that role on the day, with no other specific responsibilities. It would also enable
churchwardens to attend services simply for worship and without having to undertake any
other role.
PCC membership. The meeting recorded its thanks to Sam and Carys as they complete their
three years’ service on the PCC. The AGM takes place on 27th September and will include
the election of new PCC representatives to replace those standing down having served for
three years and those resigning, and the election of Deanery Synod representatives.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Wednesday 14th
October 2020.

The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 16th July 2020, 7.30pm via Zoom
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Martin Corner, Alastair Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray,
Carys Griffiths, Jonathan Gillard, Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Jeremy
Jeffreys, Daniel Kelly, Anne Packer, Jennifer Pearce, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson,
Mary Warman, Beryl Walker
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Michael Bryant, Rev’d Sandy Cragg, Steve Guy
2. Minutes of last meeting: 9th June 2020 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
There were no matters arising.
4. Finance
Income/expenditure comparative figures for 01/01/2020-30/06/2020 and 01/01/2019-
30/06/2019. These were circulated to the meeting and Alastair presented a brief overview.
Giving to the church is slightly up on last year which is good to see but, as expected due to
the closure of the church, there is a drop in plate collections and donations via wall safes.
There have been some donations by the “giving” terminal (£132) and we will try to encourage
greater use of this method. The negative amount currently under Tax recovered under Gift
Aid will be reduced when the accounts for 2019 are closed and the outstanding £6,176
covering the period January to April this year is received from HMRC. The £20,000 café
rental received from Kingston College in this half of the year makes the figures look better
than they actually are and there will very likely be a sizeable deficit of income against
expenditure by the end of the year. The Union Street shop rental will continue to be paid,
although this quarter it will be paid monthly to help their cash flow. As predicted, church
grounds income is down: John Cogger has only recently been able to return to the grounds
and with a reduced number of activities. There was some income from church usage during
the first quarter but it is unlikely to return to normal levels until at least the end of the year.
Staff costs are reduced by the Government furlough scheme but will increase later in the year
as staff return to normal working. Heat, light and water costs are down because the building
hasn’t been in use. Expenditure under Church repairs (£14,840) includes the repairs to the
Surrey Gates and the North Gate pier. We expect to receive most of this back from the
insurers in due course.
Cashflow analysis. Alastair has analysed our projected cashflow for the remainder of the
year to give us an idea of how we can manage our funding. At the start of the year we had a
balanced budget; given the projected reduction in church income for the remainder of the year
we have to expect an appreciable deficit. We are fortunate in that we do have cash in the bank
and back-up reserves as follows:
Current bank accounts: £36, 567
Fabric fund: £26, 000
General reserve: £53, 974
We need to be aware of on-going financial commitments, eg the Parish Support Fund Pledge,
set against a reduced income. We will be able to survive this year financially but may deplete
our reserves somewhat in the long term. We will look for ways to minimise the damage (eg
reducing costs) and it is also important to try to find additional ways to increase income (eg a
National Lottery Heritage Fund grant application; possible new opportunities for hiring out
the building (distanced activities, meetings etc)). As the year progresses and we know more,
we can revise our estimates. We can survive this but need to keep our financial situation very
much in mind.
The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair for all his helpful analysis work on the church
finances.
5. Church re-opening for services
The responses to the survey into planned attending when the church re-opens for services
have indicated that a second morning service isn’t necessary. (There were 70: replies 50.3%
will continue to watch on-line; 49.7% will come into church.) Those wishing to attend will
need to book – details to be circulated the week after next – and to leave a name and
telephone number with the booking (this will be emphasised in the communication). A list
will be compiled on which names can be checked off on arrival. Family groups will be
accommodated in the congregation and there will be a children’s workshop (in the Choir
Vestry or the East end area or if possible outside). There will be seats available for people
who haven’t registered; those without internet access will be able to telephone book via the
church office. There will be tea and coffee available after the morning service: a self-service
system will be in operation via tables of ready-prepared drinks. Live streaming of services
will continue.
Holy Communion will be in one kind (wafers, not bread) and there will be a one-way system
for going up to receive Communion (via the centre aisle) and returning (via side aisles).
David Condry will continue to provide recorded music and the organ will be played for
hymns. There will no singing and no collection; on-line giving and giving via the in-church
terminal will be encouraged but there will also be a plate for donations.
A record of those attending at 8am and Evensong will be needed. Lists of regular attendees
will be drawn up (and checked off on arrival) and names and telephone numbers collected
from anyone not on those lists.
6. Church surveys
The main discussion of the survey results (originally circulated on 15th May) will take place
at the next meeting. It was noted that around 100 church members responded including a
number of younger people. Music was a key factor for many of those responding. Some
points had already been addressed, some due to current circumstances, eg length of services,
live streaming. Responses from the public indicated the importance of the children’s area.
Jonathan suggested that we might create a sub-committee to take on specific suggestions and
to come up with an action plan.
7. Christians Against Poverty
Christians Against Poverty is based at St John the Divine, New Malden; representatives of the
charity gave a presentation detailing its aims and ambitions to the June meeting of the
Kingston Deanery Synod. The presentation script setting out the aims of the charity was
circulated to the PCC. One particular aim, with which the PCC agreed it would be good to try
to help, is as follows: “We would love to have a CAP link person in every church to enable us
to sustain and grow our relationship with other local churches.” Anyone interested in
volunteering should contact John Dewhurst; John also agreed to draft a notice for the
pewsheet asking for volunteers.
8. Black Lives Matter
Jonathan has asked David Robinson to put together a short leaflet addressing the issues
arising from Black Lives Matter and the history of our Church. This will be discussed further
when we have received the draft from David.
9. Church Life Review
On-line children’s events. Thanks was expressed to Jonathan for these events on Sundays
and Wednesdays, and which are greatly appreciated.
On-line services. These will continue and the quality should improve with the use of the
above door camera at the West end which gives more options. The meeting recorded its
thanks to Jonathan for organising and producing these and for his great fortitude when the
technology has been problematic.
Music at streamed services. The meeting recorded appreciation for the quality of the music
provided along with thanks to David Condry, and all who have contributed.
Church grounds. We are grateful to Carys for taking up church garden maintenance once
more and adding plants to the beds and to the containers outside the South door. There is
some concern about the shoots at the base of the lime trees, which need cutting back.
10. Health & Safety and Safeguarding
There was nothing specific arising under this heading.
11. Kingston Team News. We are glad to have been joined by Rev’d William Albery to give
ministerial help at All Saints, preaching and conducting services.
12. Any Other Business
Church as socially-distanced venue. The meeting agreed that this could be a good new
potential source of income. The church is listed in a number of places and we have received
enquiries. Any suggestions for means of further publicising are welcome.
AGM date. The re-arranged date for the APCM is 27th September 2020. The meeting will
include the election of new Parochial Church Council representatives to replace those
standing down having served for three years and those resigning, and the election of new
Deanery Synod representatives.
Next PCC Meeting. The next meeting of the PCC will take place on Thursday 10th
September 2020.

The meeting closed with Jonathan saying the Lord’s Prayer on our behalf.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 1st May 2019, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Michael Bryant, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Jonathan Gillard,
Richard Hawkins, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Carys Griffiths, Anne Packer, Bob Seekings, Paul
Thompson, Mary Warman
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Jennifer Pearce, Mark Stafford, Samantha Taylor, Beryl Walker.
2. Minutes of last meeting: Wednesday 27th February 2019 – minutes agreed subject to one
amendment. Under ‘3. Matters arising’ the text in relation to the defibrillator should read: ‘Following an appeal to regular church hirers for donations towards the cost, we have received an offer from Councillor Jon Tolley on behalf of RBK to fund the full cost.’
3. Matters arising
AOB Caretaker. it was confirmed that a caretaker, Susan (Sue) Boys has been appointed. She started work on Tuesday 23rd April. She will be working 5 hours a day and is available to help close up the building. It has been made known to Peter Nadin that we would like him to continue and he is currently considering this.
Item 5: Reporting of serious incidents. Jonathan has been in contact with the Diocese who are aware that All Saints safeguarding officers are part of the reporting structure in relation to these but are not members of the PCC.
4. Finance
Bank Mandates. Following the changes in personnel after the APCM, there will need to be new bank mandates both for HSBC and our CBF reserve accounts. The following proposal was accepted unanimously by the meeting.
“Following the personnel changes agreed at April’s Annual Parochial Church Meeting, it was agreed that replacement bank mandates should be set up listing the new authorised signatories as follows: HSBC Current and Deposit Accounts (two signatories required for cheques greater than £500)
Jonathan Wilkes (Rector)
Robert Seekings (Hon. Treasurer)
Tsvetanka Kehayova (Hon. Assistant Treasurer)
Anne Packer (Churchwarden)
Mary Warman (Churchwarden)
Katarina Hardy (PA to the Rector)
CBF Deposit and Investment Funds
Jonathan Wilkes (Rector)
Robert Seekings (Hon. Treasurer)
Tsvetanka Kehayova (Hon. Assistant Treasurer)”
It was unanimously agreed that Tsvetanka Kehayova should be co-opted onto the PCC (proposed by Eithne Fray; seconded by Paul Thompson).
Stewardship. Anne Packer, Stewardship Officer for 2018, reported that the amount of reclaimed Gift Aid would be approximately the amount stated in the budget. The claim was submitted on 6th April.
5. The Role and Purpose of the PCC
Jonathan gave an overview of the role and purpose of the PCC (as circulated ahead of the meeting) for the benefit of those newly elected.
6. Employing the Deanery Funerals Administrator
An explanatory note plus contract for services were circulated before the meeting. The need for a
Deanery Funerals Administrator was identified following changes in the way funerals were being
arranged. Previously, the priest being asked to conduct the service would contact the undertaker; now the undertaker looks to contact a priest after the funeral has been arranged. This resulted in
opportunities being missed as the undertakers could not always get in touch when they wanted to, often at short notice. Additionally, there has been an upsurge in humanist and non-religious ceremonies. The appointment of the funeral administrator counters these difficulties by making available a contact to answer calls straightaway. In the four years that this system has been in place funeral numbers nationally have been falling whereas those in the Deanery have stayed constant.
The newly appointed administrator (Julie Huggett) needs to be employed by a parish and it was
suggested that All Saints could be the employing parish. The contract for services has been supplied by the Diocese, amended by us and the final version approved by the Diocese. The meeting unanimously agreed that All Saints should take on the formal role of employing the Deanery Funerals Administrator.
7. The Churchyard
The importance of the churchyard to us – as a source of income and as important for drawing in
visitors – is agreed upon. However, the various uses to which it is put – the craft fair, Alpine village, John Cogger’s entertainments – have a detrimental effect on the overall appearance. Jonathan asked the meeting to think about how the appearance could be improved, particularly the grass. Available options could be re-seeding (which can be unsatisfactory), re-turfing (expensive), more robust variety of grass (would take some time to settle), the paving of a central square which could accommodate regular users whilst leaving grass around it (for which planning permission and/or a faculty may be needed).
The meeting agreed that it would be helpful to take advice from garden restoration experts.
We are still looking to re-locate the Coronation Stone to the church grounds and to make more of the site of the St Mary’s Chapel to enhance the historical appeal of the grounds.
8. Church life review Easter Week. It was agreed that the services of Compline on the Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of Easter Week made this a very special time. The Sunrise Service was better attended this year. The sounding of the fire alarm on Easter Day was caused by the thurible being left near to a smoke detector. North Door. The banging north door was a distraction and the mechanism will be adjusted when the quinquennial inspection works are carried out.
Disturbance of services. ‘Service in progress’ notices have made a difference but are not always
heeded. The change in the sides people arrangements are expected to make a difference.
Fire precautions. The wiring in the roof is reinforced so that there is no risk from interference by
squirrels at high levels. When there is no-one in the building there should be no currents passing
through the wiring. We are ensuring that we have the number of fire extinguishers that were
recommended by the architect.
9. Health and Safety and Safeguarding
There were no items for discussion under this heading. Jonathan meets the safeguarding officers
quarterly to review how arrangements are working.
10. Kingston Team News
Vicky leaves St John the Evangelist on 26th May. David Bell will run the first period of the
interregnum. The average appointment takes 9 months. The appointment will be an equivalent
appointment to what is currently in place (ie no less than we currently have).
11. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings.
The notes from the meeting of 17th April were circulated to the PCC.
12. Forthcoming Events
These are listed on the Agenda.
13. Any Other Business
Soroptimists. The mosaic cross, currently placed near to the Skerne monument, was given to All
Saints by the Soroptimists some time ago (approx.15 years). They have been in touch to ask whether a plaque could be installed to say who gave it to the church. The PCC discussed it and unanimously decided against it (John Dewhurst (proposed); Paul Thompson (seconded)).

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 26th March 2019, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Alastair Deller, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray, Isabel
Isaacson (Secretary), Carys Griffiths, Bob Seekings, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: David Bell, Martin Corner, Philip Davies, Steve Guy, Chris Mayo, Jennifer Pearce, Mark Stafford.
2. Minutes of last meeting: Wednesday 27th February 2019 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
Contactless giving. There are two developments under this topic:
i. a new product available at a reasonable cost of £130;
ii. an opportunity, funded by the Diocese, to undertake a trial of a table-top product from Data
Development, which we intend to pursue.
Paul is looking in to the issue of transaction fees.
Defibrillator. Following an appeal to regular church hirers for donations towards the cost, we have received an offer from Counsellor Jon Tolley on behalf of RBK to fund the full cost. We are currently double checking to be sure that we are choosing the right equipment for our needs.

4. Finance
The draft 2018 Accounts were circulated to the PCC. The Reports were not included because, although they have all been written, they are awaiting approval. The main exceptional items are as follow.
o Income down (page 12). This is for two key reasons: church usage is down (2017 featured a
lucrative corporate event plus two large weddings); heritage funding (2017 had the last
instalment of the fixed-term grant for the heritage officer post).
o Expenditure down (page 13). The tower works were paid for in 2017.
Other matters from the accounts were discussed.
Saxon Kings Embroidery. Following completion of the Athelstan panel plans, the detailed drawings for the remaining six panels need to be finalised for presentation to the DAC for approval. Costs per panel, including materials, framing, specialist glass, are expected to be around £15,000 which we hope to retrieve from sponsors. An offer has already been received from the Masons. Organ and piano. The costs in this category are purely for maintenance and do not include budgeting for a replacement piano. Following the repositioning of the organ during the refurbishment of the church some settling has occurred with an amount of retuning being required. A watch will be kept on the costs but the importance of keeping this important instrument in good order was emphasised.
Surrey Memorial Gates. The work on these was met almost entirely by grants from the War Memorial Trust (£6,000) and the Surrey Regiments (£8,000) with the net cost to All Saints being £172. Generally, the costs for the routine day-to-day running of the church are covered but, as has been emphasised before, £10,000 a year is to be put aside for fabric maintenance; account must also be taken of the loan repayments. There is now a separate deposit account for the fabric fund – Church of England Board of Finance (CBF) Deposit Fund – into which £50,000 has been deposited.
Insurance and energy costs have been contained and the meeting recorded its thanks to Paul Thompson for his work in these areas, finding alternative suppliers, etc. Thanks also to Alastair for his work on preparing the accounts.

The meeting unanimously approved the Accounts (proposed by Alastair Deller; seconded by Paul
Thompson).

5. Reporting of serious incidents
The document detailing guidance for the reporting of serious incidents to the Charity Commission was
circulated to the meeting. The PCC guidance separates these into two types: safeguarding Serious
Incidents and all other Serious Incidents.
Safeguarding Serious Incidents. The PCC delegates responsibility for these to the Rector or, if he is absent or implicated, to the parish safeguarding officers. They will act on behalf of the PCC to comply with the requirements of the Charity Commission and will inform the Diocesan Safeguarding Adviser of the incident, who will report to the Charity Commission.
Non-safeguarding Serious Incidents. These are anything other than safeguarding issues. The Rector and the Churchwardens will take the lead in this and will report incidents as they feel necessary.
Whether or not an incident is serious will be decided by the Diocesan Safeguarding Adviser. The
Rector is duty bound to tell the PCC of any safeguarding issue – this raised concerns over the
possibility of problems with confidentiality and it was agreed that advice would be taken from the
Diocese in such cases.
The meeting unanimously agreed to adopt the guidance (proposed by Eithne Fray; seconded by Carys Griffiths).

6. Church life review
o Chorister recruitment. The meeting was pleased to note the successful recruitment of new
choristers and recorded thanks to Leslie Packer for his support of this and to David Condry for
working to ensure that the new choir members settle in well. Money donated specifically for
chorister development is being spent on choral teachers to work with new members and some
additional money has also been received for this.
o 9.30am service booklet. Larger versions can be made available and two have so far have
been requested.
o Café. It was noted that there has been far less disruptive behaviour in the café in recent weeks.
The listeners had noted one visitor to the café joining uninvited into café users’ conversations.
They are devising ways to deal with this. It was also suggested that boundaries should be
clearly maintained and guidance given in relation to visits to the office, contact with other
visitors and out-of-bounds areas of the café (especially behind the counter and the children’s
area).
o Moving the choir stalls. The arrangement with George and Tim seems to be working well
and it was reported that having their help made the ‘get out’ at the end of concerts
considerably easier. It will be important to have cover if George and Tim are not available –
the appointment of the caretaker could help with this.

7. Health and safety and Safeguarding.
There were no items for discussion under this heading.

8. Kingston Team News
o There have been no takers so far for the proposed trip to Wintershall to see the Passion Play.
o The recruitment of Vicky’s replacement will begin once she has left. The possibility of a fulltime
replacement is being explored. The recruitment process will take approximately 9 months.

9. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings.
The notes from the meeting of 6th March were circulated to the PCC. It was noted that Karen Mayo will replace Susannah Acland, who is leaving the area, as Deputy Churchwarden (children & young people). When she is no longer a churchwarden, Jennifer has agreed to become a deputy churchwarden.

10. Forthcoming Events
These are listed on the Agenda. It was noted that numbers at the Easter Dawn Service are dwindling a little.

11. Any Other Business
Caretaker. The process to recruit a new caretaker, following Robert’s resignation, has begun. It is
proposed that the caretaker will work five hours a day, five days a week and as well as the usual
cleaning tasks will be involved in keeping noticeboards up to date etc.

Winter night shelter. The night shelter this year has been generally fully occupied with guests mostly well behaved. This is possibly the result of KCAH getting to know the clients better via the drop-in shelter (the Haven at the Everyday Church from September to January with approximately 30 attending each night) and so being in a better position to assess suitability for the ‘roaming’ February/March shelter. There will be an assessment of the shelter after it finishes at the end of the month but encouragement can be taken from the presence of working guests and some moving on to more longterm accommodation. It also seems that KCAH will again receive Housing Department funding which this year enabled them to run the Haven and to employ staff to help shelter volunteers. The meeting wished to record thanks to Isabel Isaacson for co-ordinating the participation of All Saints in the scheme.

Vision event. Some members of the PCC attended the Diocese Vision Event at St Paul’s Kingston Hill which replaced the Parish support fund meeting (which itself replaced ‘fairer shares’ and was deemed to have succeeded in increasing giving). We were able to discuss parish initiatives with members from other churches but in the end the focus was on the parish support fund.
Tower assessment. We are still awaiting the feedback from the structural engineer on the condition of tower.
Quinquennial inspection work on the church. The external work should begin after Easter when the threat of frost has receded. It was noted that the hollow in the step leading from the vestry office into the church needs to be filled.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

 

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 27th February 2019, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), David Bell, Philip Davies, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, Eithne Fray,
Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Jennifer Pearce, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson, Beryl Walker
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.
1. Apologies: Alastair Deller, Carys Griffiths, Steve Guy, Bob Seekings, Mark Stafford.
2. Minutes of last meeting: Tuesday 22nd January 2019 – minutes agreed with no amendments.
3. Matters arising
Choir stalls. The new choir stalls are now in use and we have experienced the first weekend with our
two helpers moving them for a concert and restoring them to the correct position for Sunday services.
There were one or two teething problems but no major issues.
Contactless giving. Work is continuing on this and progress being made in identifying and exploring a
variety of ways to do this.
All Saints Kingston Choir Association. The Draft Constitution has now been approved.
Pigeons – health & safety issues. As reported at January’s meeting (under item 11) droppings from
the pigeons congregating along the roof ledge above the footpath between the South door and the West
door are causing a serious problem. This has been reported to those who will be carrying out the
Quinquennial inspection work in April.
Bins for the church grounds. The two new bins are now in place in the church grounds. It is our
responsibility to empty them.
4. Finance
The Budget for 2019 was circulated to the PCC and was unanimously approved.
The financial details for 2018 are now with the Auditors and copies will be available for approval at the
forthcoming AGM. There is a surplus figure but this is nominal as the loan repayments and fabric fund
contribution are not included. Various cash amounts (eg flower fund sums, entertainment) have been
rationalised and transferred into the fabric fund which now stands at approximately £60,000. There will
be an increase in income through extra use of church grounds (South Lawn in addition to North) at
Christmas this year. Liz and Pippa are working to create a shop function to help contribute to an
increase in income.
5. Mission Action Plan Review
The meeting agreed that the existing Mission Action Plan (circulated to the meeting) needs to be
updated. The overall plan will be looked at simply to update the details that have changed (eg in
relation to heritage HALO to LEO) but the meeting decided that the main area of focus should be
“Priorities for the next 5 years”. These priorities include targeting the increased town-centre population
with particular emphasis on the hard to access “gated” communities but also linking to the potential
younger worshippers via the University. Social media will be key for these ambitions and we will need
to develop a comprehensive social media strategy through a deliverable action plan. Increasing staffing
levels, through use of volunteers, will be a focus as church usage increases, creating more work
relating to the various activities taking place.
6. Safeguarding Policies for ratification
The policies were circulated to the meeting and unanimously approved (proposed by John Dewhurst;
seconded by Jennifer Pearce).
7. Annual Fabric Report
A summary of the Annual Fabric Report was circulated. Liz is happy to provide the full report to
anyone wishing to see it. Following on from the inspection the issue of pollarding the trees was raised
and it seems that this could be a possibility.
8. Church life review
o Hymns. It was agreed that we were generally very satisfied with David Condry’s choice of
hymns. A couple of points were raised: when there is no choir it was felt that starred verses of
hymns should be omitted; the offertory hymn needs to be a long one (but all appreciated
Matthew’s skill in additional playing before the final verse to allow sufficient time for the
collection).
o 9.30am service booklet. The response has been generally favourable even though not
everything can always be included and the type size may sometimes be rather small for some
people. Larger print versions can be made available but have not proved popular when
provided on other occasions.
o Lent talks. Details are now available – the overall topic is “In conflict”.
o Lent discussion groups. These will be held in conjunction with the URC and the Methodists:
Mondays at 7.30pm at the URC; Tuesdays at 2.30pm at All Saints (Heritage Gallery).
9. Health and safety and Safeguarding.
There were no items for discussion under this heading.
10. Kingston Team News
o Vicky Maunder is leaving St John the Evangelist in May to take up a post in the Diocese of
Winchester.
o David Bell has decided, upon his retirement from full-time work this year, to look at various
priesthood options available to him and will therefore be leaving the All Saints Team.
o The joint service this year will take place in June at St John the Baptist.
o A trip to Wintershall to see the Passion Play is being planned.
11. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings.
The notes from the meeting of 6th February were circulated to the PCC.
12. Forthcoming Events
Choir open day. A number of new young choristers have recently been recruited and it has been
decided therefore to postpone the choir open day planned for Sunday 3rd March.
Music with Soul. The next Music with Soul is on 27th March. We will be looking to Eclipse to help
promote it among their followers. Other suggestions were to contact Louise Walton, Faith Advisor at
the University and perhaps have leaflets available at services such as Baptisms where we might expect
a number of attendees to be non-regular churchgoers.
Sunday 23rd March – two weddings on the same day! The first is at 11.30am not 12noon as listed.
13. Any Other Business
Organist fees for occasional services. These were agreed as follows (subject to review as necessary):
non-choral services: £75.00
short non-choral services (less than 30 minutes): £50.00
choral services: £100.00
Defibrillator. It was agreed that we should go ahead with obtaining a defibrillator for the church.
May PCC change of date. The May PCC meeting will now take place on Thursday 2nd May rather
than Tuesday 7th as previously planned.
Archdeacon’s visitation. This was very successful; Area Dean Robert Stanier, on behalf of the
Archdeacon, was particularly impressed by All Saints’ commitment to maintaining a healthy Fabric
Fund.
John Dewhurst. In addition to his election to Lay Chair of the Deanery Synod, John has also been
elected to the Diocesan Council of Trustees.
The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 22nd January 2019, 7.30pm at All Saints Church
Minutes
Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), David Bell, Martin Corner, Steve Guy, Alastair Deller, Liz
Deller, Eithne Fray, Carys Griffiths, Isabel Isaacson (Secretary), Anne Packer (for item 5:
Stewardship Campaign), Jennifer Pearce, Bob Seekings, Mark Stafford, Paul Thompson.
Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

1. Apologies: John Dewhurst, Samantha Taylor, Beryl Walker.

2. Minutes of last meeting: Tuesday 20th November 2018 – minutes agreed with no
amendments.

3. Matters arising
Choir stalls. The new choir stalls will be in use this coming Sunday, 27th January.

4. Finance
A financial report covering income and expenditure for 2018 up to 31st December was
circulated to the meeting: it was emphasized that this a preliminary report only as the data is
not yet complete. Relevant examples are Tax recovered under Gift Aid (this has not yet been
applied for) and Good Causes (awaiting Christmas Tree festival contribution). Church usage
is down (there were some one-off events in 2017). The wrong figure was included for the
Parish Support Fund Pledge and this will be corrected for the finalised budget. The
refurbishment of the War Memorial cost around £17,000. Funding was received from the East
Surrey Regimental Trust (£8,000) and a sum of £6,000 is expected from the War Memorials
Trust. This, plus reclaimed VAT will bring down the net cost to us to approximately £172.
Overall, the final totals should be roughly in balance. A more detailed discussion can take
place once the final figures are known.

5. Stewardship campaign
Anne Packer, Stewardship Secretary, joined us for this item; she circulated a summary of the
results of the campaign. The campaign drew attention to the £20,000 gap between the amount
pledged in 2018 and the amount needed from donations for the upkeep of the church. There
were more responses this year (66 against 53 in 2018). It was encouraging to have 11 brand
new pledges even if they were from previous cash givers as these are now a certainty and will
attract Gift Aid gains. Overall, the additional giving is £7,560 and this will put the 2019
budget under pressure.
For the future, the 120-130 ongoing commitments give a good base on which to build but
there is more work to do. Work is in progress on developing a variety of ways to make
donations see On-line giving and contactless donations under item 4. Finance in the May
2018 PCC Minutes.
The meeting thanked Anne and Leslie for their work on this campaign.

6. Policies for review
The following policies were circulated to the PCC ahead of the meeting: ASK Environmental
Policy; Fire Risk Assessment 2018; Health & Safety 2018; Whistleblowing Guidance 2018;
they were agreed without change.
The Safeguarding Policies 2018 will be sent round to PCC members with the minutes for
comment.
It was suggested that permission should be sought at Baptism interviews before children’s
names are put on the website/events list.

7. Environment Group update
The Environment Group’s next meeting is on Sunday 27th January (topics to be discussed
include bins for the church grounds; possible installation artwork to bring issues into church).
The Christian Aid Lent booklet focuses on climate change with daily reflections and ways in
which individuals can contribute. The meeting felt that this would be a good cause for our
Lent appeal. The “jam jar” method of collecting will be reviewed to see whether there is a
more convenient but equally popular way to achieve a good total. It was also suggested that
the environment could be a suitable theme for Lent services – this will be discussed by the
group at its meeting.

8. Bishop’s Mission Order
The letter to Bishop Christopher, starting the formal process of asking for a Bishop’s Mission
Order for the work of Sacred Space in the Kingston Parishes of St John the Evangelist and All
Saints, was circulated to the meeting. Details of the organisation and its aims are set out in the
letter. The PCC agreed to this proposal. All Saints would be under no obligation to have the
group operating in the church and would have to be happy with anything that might be
proposed.

9. All Saints Kingston Choir Association – Draft Constitution
The draft constitution and Jonathan’s amended version were circulated to the PCC before the
meeting. The wording of the draft constitution and Jonathan’s suggested amendments were
discussed. The amendments make the point that the constitution has to be a suitable document
not just for the first year or so but for the foreseeable future; it needs clearly to enshrine that
this is about All Saints and that the Choir Association is based in the church; changing the
aims and objectives should be a matter in which the PCC is consulted. As it stands it could
appear to be a more distanced operation than originally envisaged. However, those who
drafted the constitution are worried that having to refer certain issues to the PCC could cause
delays.
A form of wording will be devised to satisfy these concerns so that agreement between the
authors of the constitution and Jonathan and the PCC can be achieved.

10. Church life review
o Under the topic children, on the website, Stephen Westrop is still mentioned.
o The new format for the 9.30am service sheet was generally welcomed as easier to use
and more practical than having to juggle three items of differing sizes. There is less
space so not everything can be included and some thought it a bit cramped.
Occasionally the readings may have to be omitted. If this is the case, readers who
expect to read from the sheet need to know in advance. It would be good have the
designation for each particular Sunday.
o All Christmas services were busy and successful.
o The new candle holders were easier and safer to use and very popular especially with
the crib service attendees. A request for them not to be taken away may be needed
next Christmas.
o 2 new choristers were recruited from attendance at the crib services.

11. Health and safety and Safeguarding.
o Pigeons are congregating along the roof ledge above the footpath between the South
door and the West door presenting a health hazard. This will be addressed when the
Quinquennial inspection work is carried out in April.
o 2 bins have been ordered for the church grounds in a bid to reduce rubbish left lying
around.

12. Kingston Team News
o The joint service this year will take place at St John the Baptist in June.
o We are invited to join a Lenten Quiet Day which has been arranged by St John the
Evangelist. It is to be held at St Michael’s Convent in Gerard’s Cross on Saturday
23rd March.
o There is a plan for a possible trip to Iona to take place next year.

13. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings.
The notes from the meeting of 9th January were circulated to the PCC.
A large bin has now been provided for the baby-changing facilities and is a great
improvement.

14. Forthcoming Events
January
Sat 26th Burns Night
Sun 27th 9.30am Baptism of Sophie Steibelt
February
Sun 3rd 6pm Presentation of Christ in the Temple (Candlemas)
Sat 9th 11am Environment Trust – Gruffalo illustrator
Sun 10th 9.30am Baptism of Flynn Rigby, Timothy Meads and David Paul Mills
Mon 11th 1.15pm lunchtime concert: Sarah McKenna (violin)
Mon 18th 1.15pm lunchtime concert: Endelienta Baroque
Thu 21st 11am-2pm Thumbs-up it’s Thursday Activity Day – Spring Crafts
Sat 23rd 3pm-6.30pm Kingston Rotatory Club’s ‘Big Sing’
Mon 25th 1.15pm lunchtime concert: Alice Bishop (soprano), Simon Marlow (piano)

15. Any Other Business
i. Discussed under item 7, above,
ii. The meeting agreed that a service of compline in Holy Week would be of value and worth
trying. It would take place on the Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at 9pm. It was also
agreed that we might consider a longest night service (21st December).
iii. The AGM will take place on Sunday 7th April. It was noted that the electoral roll needs to
be renewed this year.
iv. Quiet Day – noted under item 12. Team News.
v. The PCC agreed the proposal that for Christmas 2019 Kingston First will occupy the whole
of the North lawn, both sides of the path: the Alpine village will be situated as for this year
and there will be stalls on the area previously occupied by the craft fair which will relocate to
the South lawn. There will be some practical issues – for example, the path from the Market
Square will need ramps and both locations will need generators. Protection will be needed for
the garden area. There may be ways for the church to capitalise on potential increase in
people passing through.
vi. A trip to Wintershall to see the Passion Play has been proposed.
vii. A promotional poster for the church was circulated to and approved by the meeting.
viii. The following were authorised as Chalice Assistants for 2019: Mike Bangham, Ann
Cornick, Penny d’Sousa, Simon Grout, Rodney Middleteon, Anne Packer, Jennifer Pearce,
Mark Stafford, Amanda Underwood, Joni Timmins, Geoff Warman, Mary Warman, Nick
Asabia, Kate Dunne.
ix. Change of dates for PCC meetings to accommodate Music with Soul, which has to take
place on a Wednesday:
the meeting of 27th March will now take place on Tuesday 26th March
the meeting on 11th September will now take place on Tuesday 10th September.
The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 22nd February 2018, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Martin Corner, Alastair Deller, Liz Deller, John Edwards, Eithne Fray, Carys Griffiths, Isabel Isaacson, Chris Mayo, Jennifer Pearce, Bob Seekings, Mark Stafford, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson.

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

1. Apologies: Rev’d Sandy Cragg, Philip Davies, John Dewhurst, Penny D’Souza, Peter Hann, Ed Humpherson, Tsetsy Kehayova, Philip Walker.

2. Minutes of last meeting: Tuesday 16th January 2018 – minutes agreed with no amendments.

3. Matters arising
• Regional groups. Work is going ahead to restart the regional groups – some additional people are being encouraged to join in the organising and there will be communication about the groups in the next couple of weeks.
• Director of Music. There has been a good standard of applicant for the role, and the original 11 has now been reduced down to five. Interviews and keyboard auditions will take place next Thursday, 1st March. Interviews will be conducted by Jonathan, Liz and Jennifer plus Stephen Disley, Assistant Organist at Southwark Cathedral. Following the interviews, the five will be further reduced to two who will work with rehearsing the choir for the weekend of 4th March, one for the 9.30 service and one for evensong,

4. Finance

The 2018 Budget, including the 2017 Budget and the 2017 out-turn figures for comparison purposes, was circulated to the meeting.

The out-turn for the 2017 nominal income and expenditure accounts showed a surplus of income over expenditure of £20,921. Our favourable financial situation at the end of 2017 meant that we were also able to use surplus cash within our accounts to increase the annual repayment of our development loan for that year from the usual £8,500 to £20,000. The income and expenditure budget for this year shows a predicted surplus of £7,580 and we will be repaying £8,500 of the loan, as normal. In addition, we intend transferring £10,000 from our General Funds to boost our Fabric Fund during the year, and each year in future, as agreed by the PCC in November 2017. If we are to sustain this, we must be aware that it will need to be matched by a commensurate increase in our regular income and progress with this will be monitored routinely.

5. Review of policies

The following policies were circulated to the PCC for review. They are all based on templates originating from the Diocese and are reviewed every year.

Environmental. This was approved unanimously. It was agreed that Alastair would check the way that the water charge for the church is calculated. Efforts will be made to make sure that bags for mixed and general recycling are available for the clearing up following events such as Burn’s Night.
Fire Risk. This was approved unanimously.
Health and Safety. This was approved unanimously subject to the following two amendments. The addition of the word “safety”, under Point 3 Electrical Safety, first section “Portable electrical appliances”, 4th item to read: “The Churchwardens will arrange for a rolling programme of portable electrical equipment safety testing …”
Appendix 2, first paragraph, second sentence beginning “Due regard …” – the deletion of the word “College” following “all these parties …”
It was noted that Health and safety and Safeguarding are regular PCC Agenda items.
Safeguarding. It was noted that there has been a change to the Choir safeguarding: five members of the choir have DBS clearance and are in a nominal supervisory role.
Vergers no longer require enhanced DBS checks: standard disclosure is sufficient.
The last bullet point under “Children’s Workshop” has information missing which is to be added. The policy was unanimously approved – Liz will arrange for it to be circulated with these changes.
Anything that arises from the DBS checks is notified to the Diocese who then discuss the matter with Jonathan.
Whistleblowing. This was approved unanimously. General complaints, ie those that don’t count as whistleblowing, should be directed to the Rector.

6. Mission Action Plan

The Mission Action Plan was circulated to the meeting and unanimously approved.

7. ASK Development – update on new building

Jonathan circulated a note to the PCC and the ASK Committee outlining the current position on the new building development.

8. Church Life Review

• Heritage and Learning Officer. The meeting expressed regret at Kate’s imminent departure. Even though funding for the remainder of the year has been agreed with the PCC, we would be starting to think about the way the role might change and develop once this period is over. It was agreed that it would be important to continue the programme set up by Kate but that a community role could be developed alongside that work, to engage with the community and to support the volunteers working in various areas connected to the church. A volunteer forum has already been set up under Kate’s guidance. The increase in church usage means that some support in relation to events taking place in the church would also be helpful.
• There will be a Team quiet day at the House of Prayer in East Molesey on Saturday 3rd March – more details will be available shortly.
• Some people were concerned that the homeless people coming into the café sometimes seem to dominate the counter area. It was felt that they should be encouraged to be seated.
• People walking through the church (particularly during the quieter week day services) to use the lavatories continues to cause distress to some members of the congregation. It was felt that, if available, vergers could try to guide people to use a less intrusive route (on fine days the outside path would be suitable).

9. Health and safety and Safeguarding

Concern was expressed that some parts of the church grounds are not especially well lit. People leaving church following evening events should use the main pathways from the church.

10. Kingston Team News

The Kingston Team Conference on the subject of the environment will take place on Wednesday 6th June at 7.30pm. The speaker will be Ian Christie from the Diocese Environment Advisory team.

11. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings

The notes from the meeting of 21.01.18 were circulated to the PCC.

12. Forthcoming Events

These are listed on the agenda.

13. A.O.B.

Plans are being made to renovate and repaint the memorial gates for 11.11.18 – there may be financial help from the War Memorials Trust to do this.

The next PCC meeting will take place on Wednesday 21st March.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Thursday 12th October 2017, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Rev’d David Bell, Martin Corner, Philip Davies, Alastair Deller, John Edwards, Eithne Fray, Carys Griffiths, Ed Humpherson, Isabel Isaacson, Tsetsy Kehayova, Jennifer Pearce, Mark Stafford, Samantha Taylor, Paul Thompson.

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

1. Apologies: Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, Penny D’Souza, Julia Fionda, Peter Hann, Jeremy Jeffries, Bob Seekings, Philip Walker.

2. Minutes of last meeting: Thursday 7th September 2017 – minutes agreed with no amendments.

3. Matters arising

• Tower work: the original order for the replacement glass skylight has been cancelled and an order for correctly-sized glass placed with a different supplier. The replacement should be ready in approximately four weeks’ time.
• Possibly unsafe cherry tree outside the South door: this appears to be fine but a watch will be kept on it to make sure that nothing changes.

4. Finance

Income and expenditure. Alastair circulated the Income and Expenditure report to the meeting (1 January to 12 October 2017 with figures from 1 January to 12 October 2016 for comparison). Points to note were as follows.
• The new accounts system is now fully in place.
• We are basically running a balanced budget (there is currently a surplus of approximately £2,000).
• The number of bookings in the lead up to Christmas is slightly above average.
• The outstanding gift aid amounts come back to us in January.
• Heritage funding needs to be shown under “Income”.
• Work has started on the budget for 2018.
• A strategy document in relation to reserves is to be produced.

Renewal of insurance 2017. A paper detailing the insurance options available to us, and including a table comparing the competitors’ terms, was circulated to the PCC (“All Saints Kingston Parish Church – renewal of insurance 2017”). The proposed new suppliers, Trinitas, are the specialist arm of an insurance broker called Stackhouse Poland; their church insurance risk is placed with Aviva (formerly Norwich Union).

All Saints’ claims history includes the replacement of one of the stone gate pillars (£6,000); lead stolen from the roof; rain damage; broken stained glass; pigeon damage to organ keyboard. Also, in relation to safeguarding claims, EIO told us that the typical time from when a claim is incurred, i.e. the offence is committed, to when it is reported, is 17 years. The way both insurers work is that they will pay out on any valid claim which was incurred during a period whilst they were “on risk” i.e. our insurer, irrespective of whether they are our insurer at the time that the claim is reported.

The meeting agreed with the recommendation set out at the conclusion of the document (that a significant saving would be made by switching our insurance provider to Trinitas and that the terms of the cover and benefits provided would be comparable to those of our current provider, Ecclesiastical Insurance Office).

The meeting voted to approve the transfer of the insurance cover for the church building and grounds and for the premises at 48 Union Street (the Jo Malone shop) from Ecclesiastical Insurance Office to Trinitas (in favour: 14; abstention: 1).

There are one or two matters of detail to be finalised (eg use of smart water to ensure coverage of lead theft).

The meeting expressed its great thanks to Paul Thompson for his excellent work in thoroughly looking into this issue and making sure that questions on the detail were satisfactorily answered by both insurers.

[The Meeting agreed to take the “Stewardship” item next as it relates to Finance.]

6. Stewardship appeal

A draft stewardship letter, based on the one produced last year, was circulated to the PCC for comment. It was agreed that it would be desirable to make it as simple as possible whilst covering the relevant issues – this could be helped by bringing the summarising bullet points forward to a more prominent place in the leaflet. Key aims should be to target those not currently giving and to emphasise the importance of gift aid. The possibility of using social media to spread the message will be looked into. It was suggested that it might be appropriate to include a prayer on the front of the leaflet.

The stewardship campaign will be launched on November 5th when we celebrate All Saints’ Day.

5. ASK Development

Jonathan set out the position in relation to our HLF application.

Although it was disappointing that we were unsuccessful in our bid to the HLF it was not entirely unexpected. The feedback was very encouraging and the advice was to reapply to the London (rather than the national) Board. We should be helped by the local context and applying to the London Board should work in our favour. We are going to reapply and there will be a meeting to discuss the application in the week beginning 22nd October.

If the application is made in December we would hear the outcome in March; however, it may be that the application is made in March with the outcome in June.

Enquiries into the possibility of Royal patronage are ongoing.

7. Christmas services

The crib service attendance was high last year so it has been decided to have two crib services this year. A change to the positioning of the crib will be considered to make it more visible; the possibility of upgrading the crib will also be looked into.

Christmas services and events will be as follows.

Thursday 16th November 5pm: Christmas Lights switch-on service
Sunday 3rd December 6pm: Advent Carol Service
Saturday 16th December: launch of Christmas Tree Festival (Mayor attending)
Sunday 17th December 4.30pm: Community Carol Service
Sunday 24th December 8am: Holy Communion
Sunday 24th December 9.30am: Holy Communion
Sunday 24th December 4pm: Carols round the crib
Sunday 24th December 5.30pm: Carols round the crib
Sunday 24th December 11pm: Midnight Mass
Monday 25th Christmas Day 8am: Holy Communion
Monday 25th Christmas Day 9.30am: Holy Communion

8. Volunteer care proposal

A document setting out ways to improve the interaction between church and volunteers and thus to enhance the general volunteering experience was circulated to the PCC. As the number of volunteers grows (150 plus at present) so does the importance of good communication and management of the volunteer teams. The plan is to have regular specific meetings to disseminate information and to facilitate feedback and there will be clear reporting and communication lines.

This initiative was welcomed by the PCC.

The suggestion that the team leaders could be called co-ordinators rather than heads of group will be considered.

9. Winter Night Shelter

It is once again planned to run a night shelter for the homeless in Kingston to begin on 1st February 2018 and to finish mid-March 2018. All Saints Church has been asked once again to host the night shelter on Mondays (evenings/overnight/Tuesday mornings (breakfast)) during this period. It was agreed unanimously by the meeting that we should do this.

It will be in conjunction, as for Feb/March this year, with a team from the Doxa Deo Community Church (formerly Surbiton Community Church).) The dates are likely to be Feb 5th, 12th, 19th, 26th and March 5th, 12th 2018 – these are in the Church diary and confirmation will passed on to Kat as soon as possible. Isabel will send the details of the night shelter to Paul for insurance purposes.

KCAH will also be running a Severe Weather Emergency Provision (SWEP) shelter (as a pilot scheme this year) funded by an RBK New Initiatives Grant – this will be an occasional shelter that is set up for a few days at a time in response to a prediction of bad weather that could be detrimental to the health of street sleepers. This will be run separately to the regular night shelter and at a fixed location (most likely KCAH offices at St Peter’s Norbiton).

10. Church Life Review

Music with soul. The first gathering under the new form of service highlighted at September’s meeting took place on Wednesday 13th September and was well received. Approximately 80 people (including the choirs) attended and although there were several from All Saints congregation most were newcomers. There was a lot of enthusiasm – people were keen to come forward to light candles – but it was also an emotional and moving occasion for many. It was also an opportunity to hear less well-known readings, eg an extract from The Prophet by Khalil Gibran.

The next of these occasions is planned for Wednesday 1st November: its theme is “potential” and will feature the Eclipse choir and the Anstee Bridge choir. There will be a review after this to decide how to proceed.

One or two adjustments will be needed to the organisation of these gatherings (for example, there was a tendency towards applause which was solved by a direction to hold back until the end; also, people came forward to join the choirs towards the end and the altar area was rather overrun – it will be kept as sacred space on future such occasions). We will need to adapt to circumstances – for example, at the next occasion applause will be considered appropriate after the Anstee Bridge singing.

Joint Kingston University/All Saints public discussion of Facing the Future – Moral challenges in post-truth times. The first in this series of discussions took place on Thursday 12th October – the topic was “Why do so many people feel left out and left behind by mainstream politics and the economic system? What are the consequences? And what can be done?” with contributions from Magnus Ryner, Professor of International Political Economy, King’s College London, and Sir Ed Davey MP. The Deputy Vice Chancellor of Kingston University, Dr Clarissa Wilks, chaired the event and Louise Walton, the new Faith Adviser at the University, ran the question and answer session. It was well received and approximately 80 people attended it. The PCC agreed that it was a good collaboration with which to be associated and showed the breadth of the interests of the church. The meeting expressed its thanks to Leslie Packer for all the work he has undertaken in organising this series of discussions.

Andrew Williams. Andrew’s last service preaching at All Saints will be on Advent Sunday. John Richardson, formerly of St John the Evangelist, will now be taking some mid-week services. Other possibilities are being looked into.

Preaching rota. Peter Hann, Mick Cooper and Martin Corner will shortly be leaving the All Saints’ preaching rota. Peter will preach on Christmas Eve this year and Martin on Christmas Day.

11. Health and safety and Safeguarding

Duke of Edinburgh award scheme participants helping gardeners: there are no specific safeguarding issues relating to these volunteers – they will be looked after in the same way as anyone helping in the church on a voluntary basis.

Safeguarding update meeting: Jonathan, Phil and Amanda will be meeting shortly for a safeguarding update discussion. The PCC was reminded of the volunteer packs containing all relevant information for volunteers and also the necessity of DBS checks for volunteers.

12. Kingston Team News

It was confirmed that the team outing to Hampton Court planned for this Autumn will not be taking place.

The next team council meeting will be linked to All Saints Day celebration in 2018.

13. Deputy churchwardens’ meetings

The notes from the meeting of 29.09.17 were circulated to the PCC.

Check on meters for the solar panels. The company who installed the meters for the feed-in tariff from the solar panels is to check that they are correctly installed. The installers appear to have made an incorrect assumption about a tree being taken down. There is a strong suspicion that, because of this, the meters are not working properly.

14. Forthcoming Events

These are listed on the agenda.

15. A.O.B.

• PCC meeting change of date: the Church is needed for an event on the date originally planned (Thursday 9th November) so the next meeting will now be on Tuesday 7th November.
• The big leaf sweep: this is planned for Sunday 5th November – there will be a notice in the pew sheets.
• Community worker: Ann Cornick needs to work towards the handing over of the organisation and running of the Toddler Group. Consideration is being given to the employment of someone to take on this role as it seems that it is unlikely that it can be filled on a voluntary basis; there would be a possibility that such a role could be expanded into other areas.

The next PCC meeting will take place on Tuesday 7th November.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Tuesday 14th March 2017, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Chris Ault, Martin Corner, Rev’d Sandy Cragg, Philip Davies, Alastair Deller, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, John Edwards, Eithne Fray, Isabel Isaacson, Iain Nevill, Janet Nevill, Philip Walker.

1. Apologies: Rev’d David Bell, Penny D’Souza Peter Hann, Ed Humpherson, Chris Mayo, Jennifer Pearce, Julia Fionda, Tsetsy Kehayova, Paul Thompson.

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

2. Minutes of last meeting: PCC 22nd February 2017 – minutes agreed subject to the following amendments.
Item 4: Finance – replace existing text with the following:

“The preliminary income/expenditure January 2017 figures were circulated to the meeting. Accruals &c will appear correctly in the accounts after last year’s accounts are closed out, so some of these figures will change. There are also some outstanding issues from 2016 but, once these are ironed out, we will be in a position to send the 2016 accounts to our Independent Examiner.

“The following points were noted:
Gift Aid giving is up largely due to increased pledges for this year;
wall safe amounts are about the same (safes weren’t emptied at the end of January);
figures for tax recovered will be included as soon as the Gift Aid claim up to the end of 2016 is submitted;
Church usage includes some expenses accrued from last year;
Parish Support Fund: this now shows the correct sum;
increase in staff costs – due to introduction of pension scheme
caretaker – the January payroll costs shown also include those for December (when Robert Boardman commenced employment with us). The December costs will be correctly accrued to 2016 when the accounts are closed out;
printing &c increased costs reflects increased activity;
Church repairs – includes Ptolemy Dean’s fee for plans for work on the Tower;
heat, light, water – the last true readings were in February 2016, since when both the gas and electricity bills have been based on estimated readings; both meters have now been read and it is estimated that we have under-paid by around £207 for gas and by around £4632 for electricity. £173 of the excess gas charge will be accrued to 2016, as will £3860 of the electricity charge. However, we have already received £1950 for the electricity used by the Christmas Craft Fair, so the additional electricity cost for 2016 will be £1910. Paul has now read the meters and will continue to do so regularly.
There is just a small benefit from the photo-voltaic panels on the Church roof amounting to just a few hundred pounds a year.

“When the 2016 accounts have been finalised, we will look at rationalising some of our funds to ensure that we are making the best use of our financial resources. However, Alastair emphasised that all the bank accounts are fully reconciled up to date with no ongoing issues.”

Item 7: Safeguarding policies. It was confirmed that each of the safeguarding policies reflects the guidance issued by the Diocese.

3. Matters arising
(i) Café area drains. The pipes in the café area have been cleaned and drain-clearing fluid applied regularly. If the problem persists the contractors, who are returning in relation to the work on the Tower, will have another look.
(ii) A quote has been received from Daedalus for work on the leaking roof of the Bell Tower. The revised amount (before VAT, which we should be able to claim back, and fees) is £28,000. Savings have been agreed to ensure that this amount can be adhered to. It is hoped that work will begin very shortly after Easter. There is an option to suspend activity in the Bell Tower for a period of three weeks which will enable the work to be completed more quickly. The Bellringers will think about what might work best for them.
(iii) Following the discussions under A.O.B item (iii) at the last meeting, concerning the vote in General Synod on Marriage and Same Sex Relationships, Jonathan put together a letter to Bishop Christopher encapsulating the views expressed at the meeting this was circulated to, and approved by, PCC. It has been sent to the Bishop; so far no response has been received. The meeting agreed that an extract from Jonathan’s statement on the subject currently displayed on the church noticeboard should be reproduced in the church welcome booklet.
(iv) Philip Davies has responded to a request from Trip Advisor and produced a review of All Saints Church. The meeting welcomed this addition to our on-line presence.
(v) Deanery Synod Reps – those wishing to continue as representatives will make sure that their names are put proposed and seconded for the AGM; forms available on the table at the East end of the church.

4. Finance
(i) 2016 Accounts
A draft “End of Year Financial Statements” was circulated to the meeting. The draft figure for total income is £292,619. Information on Fund starting balances was not received until December 2016 so there will not be much transfer activity shown. It was noted with approval that the amount owing on the MCA loan is now £144,487 (from £159,483 in 2016).
There were no major shifts in asset valuations on the Balance Sheet. The parish set up a pension scheme for some of its employees in October 2016, as required by law, and pension contributions were the main additional payroll cost under “Liabilities”. “Reserves” remain basically the same – the £50,000 balance in the fabric fund will cover the work on the Tower.
The £111,786 was wrongly allocated to the restricted SLCF Fund so the movement of it to the General Fund is simply to correct this.
There was a modest increase in both income and expenditure. The estimated final surplus is £30,042; this doesn’t include the loan repayment (£9,000). Ways in which the potential surplus could best be used were discussed. The meeting agreed that £10,000 should be added to the Fabric Fund and that consideration should be given to paying off an additional six months’ worth of the loan but that this would be left to Jonathan and Alastair to decide.
Some of the Church funds need to be rationalized – these will be reviewed by the Finance Sub-committee and a paper for discussion brought to the PCC.
The meeting unanimously approved the accounts as currently set out, on the understanding that there will be some changes to come. An amended set of figures will subsequently be sent round to the PCC before the APCM and changes also will be highlighted at that meeting.
(ii) Finance Sub-committee
A finance sub-committee is to be formed to provide support to the Treasurer in his or her day-to-day work and a forum in which related issues can be discussed. Jonathan has approached Jeremy Skinner, John Ayles, Ed Humpherson and Tsetsy Kehayova.

5. ASK Development
(i) Museum. The Council team is currently working towards submitting a first round funding bid to the HLF in June. Jonathan has also had a meeting with our former fundraising team, Jacky and Sarah, to discuss ideas. The ground for the new building must be broken by September 2018 to remain within the planning permission timescale. However, before this can be done, bodies (approx. 250) must be removed from the area for development. This will either be a boxing-up of the remains to move them to Kingston Crematorium or a deeper burying of the remains in the church grounds.
If the first round bid is approved (September) then we will progress to the second round which will then include money for the movement of bodies from or within the church grounds.
The Coronation Stone was due to moved within the next six months but we have had to ask for this to be postponed whilst building work is taking place. So far the response has been unhelpful (involving a suggestion that we could move it and then move it again when work is finished resulting in a doubling of expense).
(ii) Seven Kings Embroidery. A meeting took place on Thursday 9th March with Jacky Puzey, the embroiderer chosen to work on the seven kings. She brought with her some very impressive samples of selected parts of the Athelstan panel, photographs of which were circulated to the meeting. Work will begin on the first panel on 27th March, working towards a delivery date of the panel (unmounted and unframed) in the first week of May. Advice has been sought from a specialist conservator on protecting the panels. This may mean that they will be behind glass but samples will be provided for visitors to examine and touch. Sandy and David Robinson will visit the workshops in Bristol on the 27th to see work begin. A piece will be prepared with photos for the magazine.
The first panel has been funded by an anonymous donation; and a second anonymous donation has been received. The Freemasons may be willing to contribute to fund “Athelstan”. A fundraising event will take place when the panel is in place asking local businesses etc to provide sponsorship.
Completion of the project may take two to two and a half years. A faculty from the Diocese is still needed – it is hoped that the finished first panel might provide encouragement for this.
The meeting expressed its thanks to Sandy and David.
(iii) Choir stalls. A design has now been received from the architect and Jonathan will be meeting with Kevin Davis and Stephen Westrop. An estimate of costs will be sought. Jonathan will then bring a proposal to the PCC on what action to take.

6. Church life review
(i) The inclusion of the first performance of a setting of the canticles by Louis Halsey at Evensong on Sunday 12th March was greatly appreciated.
(ii) The Annual Church inspection by the area Dean took place on Sunday 12th March.
(iii) Lent discussion groups have been well attended so far (13-14 at each).
(iv) The children helping with the intercessions at the morning service has been appreciated.
(v) A microphone has been installed to enable the recording of services and will make possible the accessing of services via the internet. Permissions from the choir have to be confirmed but the system should be available for use by Easter.
(vi) The wonderful display of flowers in the church grounds has been greatly admired and appreciated. The churchwardens have been in contact with the green saints to express thanks for their work in this.

7. Health and safety and Safeguarding
Health and safety. No issues were raised.
Safeguarding. A suggestion was made at the safeguarding audit meeting regarding the that plug guards should be used but it was decided against as modern sockets (which ours are) are designed with the safety of children in mind. An amendment will be added to the risk assessment.
John Dewhurst will take responsibility for carrying out risk assessments for church activities; he has created a risk assessment form. The meeting recorded thanks to John for taking on this task.

8. Kingston Team news
(i) St John the Evangelist has submitted its HLF bid.
(ii) David Bell is provided cover for the period of Vicky’s sabbatical.
(iii) There is a joint safeguarding training session planned for 14th June.

9. Deputy churchwardens meeting
The notes from the meeting of 24th February were circulated to the PCC.

10. Events
9th April: Evensong service will be presented differently – a service of word and music specially devised.
14th April: Good Friday 1pm-3pm – Children’s Workshop at St John the Evangelist.
23rd April: Annual Parochial Church Meeting at 11am in the Church. Up to seven new members can be elected this time. Standing down are Iain Nevill, Janet Nevill and Peter Croad.
24th June: 11am Ordination Service at All Saints

11. A.O.B.
Fresh expressions. Jonathan met Jim, the leader of the Eclipse Choir, to discuss a new type of service, with a different musical input, and which could attract new people to church. Jim was very enthusiastic about it; he has good contacts with several nationally significant choirs, raising the distinct possibility of being able to attract guest choirs to take part, eg Missing People’s Choir, as well as his own local people who meet to rehearse in the Church. The service will probably take place once a month on Wednesdays and, initially, Jonathan will lead the worship. The precise format is yet to be decided upon but there will be congregational; singing, perhaps a choir piece readings, a message. There will be a spirituality about it within a broad Christian context to help people with their prayers and to explore faith.

The next PCC meeting will be on Monday 8th May.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 22nd February 2017, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Chris Ault, Penny D’Souza, Alastair Deller, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, John Edwards, Peter Hann, Eithne Fray, Isabel Isaacson, Chris Mayo, Iain Nevill, Jennifer Pearce, Paul Thompson,.

1. Apologies: Martin Corner, Philip Davies, Julia Fionda, Tsetsy Kehayova, Janet Nevill, Philip Walker.

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

2. Minutes of last meeting: PCC 18th January 2017 – minutes agreed.

3. Matters arising
(i) Filming at services. Anyone seen filming during services will be asked not to do so. Jonathan is giving a reminder at baptisms not to film during the ceremony and will think further about how to address the issue.

4. Finance
The preliminary income/expenditure January 2017 figures were circulated to the meeting. There are some outstanding issues from 2016 but a set of almost final accounts is now with the Auditors. Accruals &c will appear in the accounts after last year’s accounts are closed out.

The following points were noted:
Gift Aid giving is up largely due to increased pledges for this year;
wall safe amounts are about the same (safes weren’t emptied at the end of January);
figures for tax recovered will be included next month;
Church usage includes some expenses accrued from last year;
Parish Support Fund: this now shows the correct sum;
increase in staff costs – due to introduction of pension scheme
caretaker – half of the cost will be accrued to last year;
printing &c increased costs reflects increased activity;
Church repairs – includes Ptolemy Dean’s fee for plans for work on the Tower;
heat, light, water – meters were under-read last year (last true reading was in February 2016); gas was under-read by £207; electricity by £4632 (£3860 of this from 2016 so £772 accrued this year; the craft fair charge of £1950 leaves £1910 in this year). Paul has now read the meters and will continue to do so on a regular basis.
There is just a small benefit from the photo-voltaic panels on the Church roof amounting to just a few hundred pounds a year.

When the 2016 accounts have been finalized there are several funds that need to be examined. However, Alastair emphasized that the accounts are now fully up to date with no ongoing issues.

5. ASK Development
A meeting will take place on 23rd February to work on the HLF funding bid. The aim is to make the first round bid in June: we would hear the result this in September. It is important that the Borough has a contingency plan in case this doesn’t go ahead. The second round would be in March 2018 from which we would hear in June. It was emphasized that the Borough is firmly behind these plans – the money originally having been set aside by the Lib Dem Council as a fund to aid the development of the Museum. The ground for the new building must be broken by September 2018 to remain within the planning permission timescale.
ASK Development will now be a regular item on the PCC Agenda.

6. Ascension Day Service
It was accepted that a Choral Service for Ascension Day was a big undertaking for the choir for a relatively small congregational turn out – the least well attended of the mid-week feast days. It was agreed that, before considering a Eucharist service with hymns rather than a full choral service, the Ascension Day service would be given more and better publicity this year to try to improve attendance.

7. Safeguarding policies
The three safeguarding policies (for the Safeguarding of Children, Adults who may be Vulnerable and for Responding to Domestic Abuse) were unanimously approved by the meeting. The Procedures (how to put the policies into action) were unanimously approved subject to two amendments: the deletion of the first bullet point under the heading “The choir” and the addition of the ratios of children to adults under the sixth bullet point of the heading “Children’s Workshop”.
The safeguarding of any vulnerable adults working in the Café will be covered by the agreements between the Church and the relevant organization.
Whistleblowing policy. This was approved unanimously and mention of it will be included on the safeguarding summary on the noticeboards. Thanks are recorded to John Dewhurst for producing this policy.
All policies are now on the Church website.

8. Deanery Synod Representatives
The 4-year term for current Deanery Synod Representatives (Chris Ault, Eithne Fray, Isabel Isaacson, Jeremy Jeffries and Paul Thompson) ends this year. Chris has decided to stand down. Those wishing to continue as representatives will make sure that their names are put proposed and seconded for the AGM. John Dewhurst has expressed a willingness to stand for election as Chris’s replacement.

9. Church life review
(i) Burns Night was a great success raising £1300. Jennifer has now handed over the organization of next year’s event to others. The meeting recorded its thanks to Jennifer for her work over 9 years of organizing this popular annual event.
(ii) The children’s workshop is happy using the Choir Vestry.
(iii) The new Friday short service for small children and their carers, Praytime, is proving to be successful.
(iv) Interruption of concerts by noise from the café is being addressed by the use of plastic cups and plates; this seems to have made a difference. Peter Nadin is monitoring the children’s corner during Monday concerts to contain any noise.
(v) The final quote for the Tower staircase has proved to be quite high: efforts are being made to reduce it. The preference is to use the usual contractors but we may need to look for a second quote.
(vi) Good work by the sub-committee concerned with All Saints electronic presence, alongside Kat and Kate has resulted in an increased Facebook presence with 1200 people engaging with it.

10. Health and safety
Safeguarding will now be a standing item under Health and safety. John, Liz and Paul have prepared the following: A General Risk Assessment and a Fire Risk Assessment – no significant risks have been identified.
The Annual Fabric Inspection was circulated to the meeting and was approved unanimously and with gratitude. The meeting agreed that it would be acceptable to include a summary, rather than the whole report, in the Annual Report for the AGM. There was some concern about the condition of some trees in the churchyard, which are the responsibility of the Borough. Plans for the proposed new building include a revamp of the churchyard.

11. Kingston Team news
The team conference will take place on the evening of 14th June and a representative of the Diocese will be present to provide safeguarding training for the PCCs.
There will be a joint service with St John the Evangelist on 9th July.

12. Deputy churchwardens meeting
The notes from the meeting of 20th January were circulated to the PCC.

13. Events
Attention was drawn to the Talks (listed on the Agenda) and Study Groups (organized by Martin Corner and Ken Walker) that will be available during Lent.

14. A.O.B.
(i) There will be a non-Eucharistic Dawn Service on Easter Day.
(ii) Kingston First will be renting the whole of the Church grounds this Christmas. There will be the Alpine village (as for last year) plus a children’s activity area. The Craft Fair will be in Memorial Square.
(iii) Letters concerning the vote in General Synod on Marriage and Same Sex Relationships, one from Bishop Christopher and one from the Archbishops of Canterbury and York, were circulated to the meeting for discussion. The general feeling was one of great disappointment whilst understanding the desire to preserve the unity of the Church of England and the Anglican Community world-wide. The meeting felt that the Church of England’s stance on same sex relationships was alienating a significant number of people, not just those from the gay community but anyone who believes that God regards us all equally.
It was agreed that the views expressed at the meeting should be communicated to Bishop Christopher; Jonathan undertook to put together a draft to be circulated to PCC members for approval.

The next PCC meeting will be on Tuesday 14th March.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 18th January 2017, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Chris Ault, Rev’d David Bell, Peter Croad, Penny D’Souza, Alastair Deller, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, John Edwards, Julia Fionda, Peter Hann, Ed Humpherson, Eithne Fray, Isabel Isaacson, Tsetsy Kehayova, Chris Mayo, Jennifer Pearce, Paul Thompson, Philip Walker.

1. Apologies: Martin Corner, Iain Nevill, Janet Nevill.

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

2. Minutes of last meeting: PCC 23rd November 2016 – minutes agreed.

3. Matters arising
(i) Developing a new congregation. Jonathan has had a meeting with the Dean of Fresh Expressions and also with Andrea Campinale of the Church Missionary Society and suggests that a good next step might be to follow the route taken when plans were made for the church development, ie to talk to a group of people with whom All Saints already has a connection. The Rock Choir and the Eclipse Choir both regularly use the church. It was agreed that Jonathan should meet the leaders of the two choirs and explore the possibility of having a conversation with the people attending these. There may be potential to build a service around a particular sort of music. Once this has been followed up whatever comes out of it will be brought to the PCC for discussion. Other possibilities were mentioned, eg the inhabitants of Charter Quay, close to the church.

4. Finance
The meeting welcome Acting Treasurer, Alastair Deller, who gave a brief summary of progress following the ending in 2015 of the manual accounting scheme to the current position. All bank accounts have been reconciled from the beginning of 2016 to the end of December. Because of the amount of work involved in the changeover to appropriate financial software and the delayed availability of the 2015 accounts, the Budget for 2016 had to be based on incomplete information; some discrepancies had been unavoidable.

(i) Draft Income and Expenditure 2016
The shortfall in the Gift Aid giving was due to an overestimate in the budget figures. Church usage and rent of church grounds have been separated out in the 2016 draft – the combined total shows an increase over 2015 of around £30,000, mostly due to increased use of the grounds by John Cogger.
The church building is now regularly in use – it is regularly rented out three evenings a week and the church uses it for a further three. Saturdays are free for bookings and there are three regular concert hirers. The hiring fees have been raised for 2017 following research to compare pricing with other venues in the area.
The increase in personnel cost is largely due to the enrolment of some of our staff in a pension scheme in October. Increased printing, postage and stationery costs reflect increased activity.
There will be further increases in costs next year: the pension scheme for the whole year; the caretaker’s salary; the loss of the Heritage Lottery Fund grant towards the Heritage and Learning Officer’s salary from August.

(ii) Draft budget 2017
Changes to the budgeted amounts under the following headings in relation to the 2016 budget were noted as follows.
Plate collections /wall safes – an increase reflects the actual figures for 2016
Gift Aid Giving – the figure is based on the pledges now received by Anne under the stewardship scheme
SLCF (now called Parish Support Fund Pledge) – this is the actual amount pledged
The budget doesn’t include the loan repayments (£8,500) which will be covered by the surplus (£9,670).
The result is a broadly balanced budget. A full year using the new accounting system provides a base of accurate and accessible facts and figures going forward which will enable our financial performance to be measured against them.
All of these improvements are the product of a huge amount of work undertaken by Alastair and represent a great step forward in the monitoring and management of the church’s finances. The meeting showed its appreciation of Alastair’s contribution with a round of applause.

(iii) Stewardship
A results update (as at Sunday 15th January 2017) from Anne Packer was circulated to the PCC.

5. New Building update
This will be a two-storey, three-level (includes basement) building. A large part of Kingston Museum will move into the space. The balance of usage between museum and church is to be negotiated as part of the deal as is compensation for loss of usage of that part of the grounds. The building will be owned by the church and leased back to the Borough on a lease of no more than 25 years.
Emphasis was placed on the importance of recognizing that we will have a new building but that it will be fundamentally a museum. The PCC understood this and were content with it. The museum focus will be on Saxon history; there will be an education centre, café, cloakrooms and space for community activities. Further thought will be needed on how the character of the church café might develop; whether the church office could be accommodated in the new building (enabling a return of the vestry to its originally-intended purpose); a rethinking of how the heritage gallery/choir vestry is used.
The New Building will accentuate our presence in Kingston as it continues to grow and develop its retail sector and residential properties.
The main sources of funding include £4million contribution from the Borough and application for Heritage Lottery Funding of £4.8million currently in progress and in relation to which a meeting has already taken place. Work on the project will not begin until we are sure that the finance is in place.
The next step is to await a response from the HLF meeting. It is important that the Borough has a contingency plan incase the HLF doesn’t go ahead.
The scheme has been approved under the Pastoral Measure 1983 (copy circulated to meeting). Independent legal advice will be sought to be sure that the lease dovetails with this document. It was noted that planning permission for the project expires in 2018.

6. Draft Environmental Policy
The meeting approved the Environmental Policy subject to a change of order under “Actions” list – “to celebrate God’s creation in our worship” is to be the first item on the list. The meeting expressed thanks to Liz and the sub-committee for their work on this and for producing a commendably straightforward policy.

7. Church life review
(i) It was noted that worshippers were being disturbed during services by people using the crossing. This can be controlled during major services by use of sides people on both doors. Before increasing use of sides people at evensong (where the problem is most noticeable) it was agreed that we should ensure that the “Service in progress” notices are displayed, perhaps in the lobbies for greater clarity. Anyone seen filming during services should be asked not to do so and child protection issues should be explained to them. Jonathan will give a reminder at baptisms not to film during the ceremony.
(ii) All Christmas services were well attended; the crib service was very crowded and two services may be needed this year. It was asked whether we were considering a Christingle service; the response was that we had no plans for one at this stage.
(iii) A slight concern had been expressed about the safety of processing at baptisms whilst hymn-singing. Following some discussion, the meeting decided that it was safe to do so.
(iv) The meeting agreed that, although there always seemed to be members of the congregation taken by surprise by the collection, it did not need to be announced. At services (eg baptisms) where there might be a number of people unused to church the collection could start at the opposite side to give the baptism party time to see and understand what was happening.
(v) It was agreed to reinstate the pause by the crucifer in front of the altar at the end of the service to enable the congregation to bow before the cross. So that the cross remains upright, the crucifer will not bow.
(vi) The meeting agreed to support the Diocese Lent appeal.
(vii) The meeting strongly endorsed the value of the “Topical Lunches” and Leslie Packer’s excellent work in organizing relevant and interesting subjects and speakers. It was agreed that it was exactly the sort of interaction with the community that was valuable in church life and the meeting heard from David Bell (who had chaired one of the meetings) that the opportunity to connect with the community was greatly appreciated by the speaker, Kingston’s Borough Commander, Superintendent Glenn Tunstall. It was agreed that there was a need for greater publicity for these events.
(viii) A sub-committee will be set up to help support All Saints electronic presence. Penny D’Souza and Chris Mayo volunteered; it was thought that, although not present, Phil Davies might like to be included, too.
Some issues with the website were mentioned (eg Events calendar only extends to the end of March). Where England Began website is to be revamped.

8. Health and safety
The Health and Safety policy has been amended to take account of concerns expressed for the personal safety of people who find themselves carrying out duties on their own in the Church.
The kneelers in the chapel are to be removed from the vicinity of the candle stand (recently two were noticed on the shelf behind the lit candles).

9. Kingston Team news
• Vicky Maunder will shortly be on sabbatical; thanks was expressed to David Bell for the cover he will be providing at St John’s.
• The team conference will take place on the evening of 14th June; venue to be confirmed.

10. Deputy churchwardens meeting
The notes from the meeting of 9th December were circulated to the PCC.

11. Events
Saturday 28th January – Burns Night: The take up for Burns’ Night has been good; there are still a few spaces remaining.

12. A.O.B.
(1) AGM. Date has been fixed for 30th April. [NB: Following the meeting a request was made for the AGM to be on the 23rd April and, there seeming to be no reason not to, we have agreed that as the date.]
(2) Choir stalls. We are currently awaiting designs from Ptolemy Dean.
(3) Lent Groups.
• A joint course with LEP/URC is available to examine the Lord’s Prayer;
• Martin Corner and Ken Walker are putting together a study group based on the subject and writings of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
(4) It was agreed it would be good to record the lunchtime Lent Talks for those who were unable to attend them and to make them available on the website.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames
Parochial Church Council Meeting
Wednesday 19th October 2016, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes (Chair), Chris Ault, Rev’d David Bell, Martin Corner, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, Philip Davies, John Edwards, Julia Fionda, Peter Hann, Eithne Fray, Ed Humpherson, Isabel Isaacson, Chris Mayo, Iain Nevill, Jennifer Pearce, Paul Thompson, Philip Walker

1. Apologies: Tsetsy Kehayova

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

2. Minutes of last meeting: PCC 20th September 2016 – minutes agreed.

3. Matters arising
• Item 6: two additional stewards have been recruited
• Item 11. A.O.B. (i) a floor-cleaning machine has been bought. Liz is supervising cleaning plan. (ii) there are three new probationer choristers

4. Finance

(i) September statement of expenditure and income
The year to date shows a deficit of £13,248 but the £20,999 owed under “Heritage Funding” is simply a case of money to be transferred from the Heritage Trust and the £14,015 under “Tax Recovered under Gift Aid” is a matter of timing.
At present we are living within our means but need to be aware of financial responsibilities including such things as building repair for which provision needs to be made.
A more realistic figure for Gift Aid Giving is being looked at – the budget figure was affected by some one-off donations – and the deficit will be around £2,000, rather than the £23,541 currently shown. The figure for 2017 Budget will be £80,000 plus what we aim to achieve in the stewardship campaign – we know that we do need £100,000 for 2017.
There is a variance against church usage but much of the usage occurs in the last quarter, plus there is possibly some confusion in these amounts between usage of the church and usage of the church grounds. The church is increasingly busy with a wider variety of events and fees will be increased next year to a more realistic level. The need to try to induce givers to the plate collections to Gift Aid their donations was acknowledged. Having Gift-Aid envelopes to hand would help and we will look into ways to do this.

(ii) Stewardship
The stewardship letter will be ready for distribution on 30th October. A list has been compiled of members of the congregation to target, eg groups including workshop, choir, and so forth and team “captains” will be sought to take control of the identified groups. It was agreed that the stewardship message at the EGM on Sunday 16th October was clear and succinct in setting out our responsibilities and our ability to meet them.
It was agreed that it would be useful to have a bank of photos appropriate to various requirements for future campaigns and Philip Davies kindly offered to look at starting to compile one.

(iii) Debit card for the Parish Clerk’s account
The PCC agreed at the meeting of 14th October 2015 that Jonathan’s PA, Katarina Hardy, should have a credit card for use on church business. It is now become clear that what she actually needs is a debit card. This was proposed to the meeting by Philip Walker, seconded by John Dewhurst and unanimously agreed.

5. A caretaker

There has been for some time an acknowledged need for a caretaker for the church but a decision has been dependent upon the final 2015 accounts. A draft job description was circulated to the meeting. Payment of £10,000 per annum will give us 20 hours a week of that person’s time (NI not included in this amount). Comments on the job description were: holiday entitlement will need to be added; under “Person specification” add “and” after “robust”; “menial” was queried but it was felt important that the applicant should be aware of the variety and range of tasks that the job would entail.
There is an arm of the Balance organization that helps adults with learning difficulties to obtain employment. Jonathan has contacted them as there are significant parts of the caretaker’s job that someone from Balance might be able to do. The caretaker role would eliminate the need for a separate cleaner and would take in some of the tasks currently carried out by Peter Nadin. It was felt desirable that if possible Peter could continue in his role and assist the caretaker in areas with which someone from Balance might not feel at ease. If Balance had a suitable candidate they would undertake a 12-week probationary period, paid for by Balance.
The meeting expressed enthusiasm for the Balance solution and it was agreed that Jonathan should pursue. If for some reason it didn’t work out then the job would be advertised through the usual avenues: job centre, churches network etc.
It was emphasized that the caretaker role would not replace the role of vergers in the church.

6. Commissioning work to the Tower

The work on the Tower was not put out to tender as Daedalus originally quoted for this work when carrying out the refurbishment of the church – the specification was circulated to the meeting (the costs will be around £25,000 with a 10% contingency allowance; architect’s fees (approx. 10% of total) not included in this). The meeting unanimously agreed that the work on the Tower should be carried out.
The restoration work needed on the East Surrey gates may be eligible for a lottery grant.
The damp in the wall at the West end will probably need to be fixed by extra lead roofing. A temporary measure is to strip and replace the plaster and then repaint it.

7. Development update – new building

Following a recent meeting with the Borough representative responsible for finding a solution to the Museum location, Jonathan reported that it was felt that the new church building would be the best option. The Museum functions are to be split and the Saxon History and History of Kingston are the areas to be housed in the new church building. The external appearance and dimensions of the building would remain as for the original plans and would be a huge advantage as no new planning permission would be needed and no extra faculties. The interior design is open and flexible and will accommodate a variety of requirements. The planning permission is active for a further two years.
A requirement for our partnership with the Council in this project is that we will own the finished building; we will also require compensation for loss of income from the use of the church grounds. There will be a commitment of no more that 25 years to this partnership so that our successors are not tied into this arrangement.
A large Heritage Lottery Fund grant is needed for this – the Council will apply for it but because of our experience in this area, All Saints will lead on it. We have a track record of having received the grant, carrying out what we agreed we would do – this will reassure the HLF that their money will be well-spent. The Borough will contribute funds, too, which could come from the redevelopment of the Museum/Cattle Market area.
Details of this project will be circulated to the PCC for discussion and approval.

8. Church life review

• Café. (i) Notices: An incident of a service taking place in church but no notices to say so was reported to the meeting. Notices should be in place – continuing efforts will be made to try to ensure that this happens. Listed menu items not available: Jonathan is aware of certain issues of concern in relation to the service provided by the café. He has met the person with overall responsibility who is aware of the problems and is taking steps to address them. They are quite major and need to be carefully handled so will take a little time to resolve.
• Leslie Packer’s initiative in a joint venture with the university, aided by Faith Adviser at the University, Andrew Williams and Martin Corner, was praised as a way of increasing intellectual offerings to those interested and drawing together a varied group of people from different backgrounds within the parish. This initiative started with a lecture series on Matthew Arnold, presented by Martin, and it is hoped that more will be planned for the future.
• The meeting was made aware of Kingston Hospital’s plans to create a new space for spiritual matters to include a chapel, meeting room and one-to-one counselling area. They will be looking to local parishes for support in this.

9. Health and safety

• We now have our own PAT testing equipment with which Brian Cornick is currently carrying out the testing of portable electrical appliances in use in the church.
• Iain Nevill is kindly going to fix a further four loose paving slabs in the church yard.
• Daedalus have been in to (i) repair the Angel’s broken wing and (ii) replace non-functioning lights.

10. Kingston Team news

The trip to Winchester was a great success.
It has been suggested that in late Spring/early Summer next year the Kingston Team’s PCC could get together for a joint PCC conference.

11. Deputy churchwardens meeting

4. Attention was drawn to the children’s party at St John the Evangelist on Sunday 6th November.
7. We have suspicions but we do not know that drugs are being used in the church toilets. Anyone known to be doing so will be banned from the building.

12. Events

November 12th – this Banquet Records event is still to be confirmed. It takes place on the Saturday evening prior to Remembrance Sunday.
November 17th – there will be a Christmas Lights Service.

Pilgrim Course: David Bell is running a course which will examine our core beliefs and how they relate to our lives. This starts on Wednesday 16th November and runs for six weeks up to Christmas.

13. A.O.B.

A Deanery Funerals Administrator was appointed to assist in arranging church funerals and to help to make the process more straightforward. Fourteen churches have signed up to this (a payment per church of £100) and a trial of one year is taking place. It is felt that a second year is needed to accurately assess whether or not it’s worth continuing. The meeting unanimously agreed to support a second year.

Next meeting: Wednesday 23rd November.

The meeting closed with the Lord’s Prayer.

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames

Parochial Church Council Meeting

All Saints Church, Kingston upon Thames

Extraordinary General Meeting
16 October 2016 at All Saints Church at 10.45am

Attendance The meeting was attended by forty-seven members of the laity, with Jonathan Wilkes, Team Rector, Chairing

Jonathan explained that the meeting is a statutory meeting held for the purpose of approving the 2015 Accounts. This is as set out in the minutes of the AGM held on Sunday 24th April 2016 at All Saints Church.

The PCC Treasurer, Jeremy Skinner, took the meeting through the accounts page by page to draw attention to specific issues as follows.

Front page: as stated on the front page, the 2015 Accounts have been produced by an external firm of Chartered Accountants, HPH, of York. They also provided the external examiner. It is unlikely that All Saints PCC will need external help for the 2016 Accounts but if needed it will very much less.

Pages 1 to 4: These pages cover the Annual Report of the PCC and include a financial overview plus aim and purpose, objectives and activities, achievements and performance and administrative information (the PCC members for 2015, PCC’s bankers and the independent examiner). The accounts will be signed by Jonathan and by the independent examiner to signal approval by the PCC.

Page 5: The Independent Examiner’s Report; page 6 the statement of financial activities and page 7 the balance sheet. Pages 8 to 14 contain the notes to the financial statements.

Finances

Keys points include:
• An overall increase in income: donations and legacies up by £31,000; trading activity increased over the 2014 figures partly due to greater church usage following the completion of the refurbishment of the church but also due to 2014 figures being depressed by the closure of half the church for the building work during that period. The result is that on ordinary activities we have a small surplus.
• There is a significant loss on designated funds as a result of assets used to complete the church refurbishment.
• Page 11 sets out church income in detail. Planned giving increased by £16,000 due to increased congregational numbers and increased giving; the post of heritage officer is funded by the HLF until 2017 and this amount is included under “other income”. The church usage increased as expected in the first full year of the refurbished church.
• Page 12 gives an analysis of expenditure. Increased expenditure included the contribution to the Diocese (SLCF Assessment £104,157) and the full year salary for the Rector’s PA (this was a vacancy for part of 2014). Organ and piano costs show an increase but only because these are now listed as a separate item whereas formerly they were included under “Sundry expenses”. Insurance payments haven’t actually fallen, the method of payment has changed and premiums are now paid monthly. Increased printing costs are due to the leasing of a new printer and also reflect greater church activity. The loan amount of £170,000 is included under “Designated funds”.
• Page 13: 4(a) staff costs. There were no payments to any members of the PCC. 5 Tangible fixed assets: the main item under this heading is the rental from the premises currently occupied by Jo Malone. As there had been a recent valuation there was no revaluation for these accounts.
• Page 14: 8 Creditors: £157,000 outstanding loan used for the development of the café area. The café income more than covers interest and repayment. 9 Unrestricted and designated funds – funds have been allocated to replenish the Fabric fund of £1560 to £50, 000
• Fabric fund is to now £50,000 to be sure to enable the maintenance of the building in its refurbished form. There is currently work needed on the Tower staircase (£25,000) and on the west end (£10,000).

Jeremy concluded that the overall financial position was respectable but tight – we are maintaining an ancient historic building plus supporting the Church’s purpose in the diocese.

Jonathan added that it was good news in the accounts but added that the loan reflects surplus at the end of 2015 as it was income that we didn’t have to pay out on then. The insurance, likewise, appeared as less expenditure due to the way it is now paid. Costs have increased as we have changed from a small parish usage to a town-centre, open seven days a week, operation. As far as reserves are concerned the Charities Commission guidance is for three months’ expenditure to be held in reserve (ie ¼ of £260,000).

Stewardship campaign. Leslie Packer spoke briefly to the meeting regarding the forthcoming stewardship campaign. He firstly emphasized that only Anne Packer (Stewardship Officer) and the PCC Treasurer know individual giving details. The target last year was set at £98,000 and promises of £83,000 were collected which resulted in a total of £80,000. (Some up-front payments in November and December also resulted in the Accounts being ahead of what was expected.) Approximately half of the £260,000 needed to maintain and run the church is met from external sources (rent from the Jo Malone shop, John Cogger’s use of the grounds, the Christmas fair, church rental for events); the amounts remaining (£130,000) is reduced by gift aid to £100,000 and the stewardship campaign will focus on that figure. Last year 20 new gift aid givers signed up – a further 20 this year would be an excellent result.

Jonathan then opened the meeting up for questions.

1. Concern was expressed over the lease of the café (3years) when compared to the term of the loan (25 years). However, it was felt that we could be confident, given our town-centre location, that the café space could and would be filled if or when the current lease ended.
2. Debtors as at 31 December 2015 were not a cause for concern. The debts have subsequently been paid in 2016.
3. It was agreed that the matter of the church lawns potentially being used up to 10pm is to be discussed further outside the meeting.

There were no further questions raised.

Attention was drawn to the questionnaire that was handed out at the 9.30 service and available at the meeting for everyone to take a copy and complete.

Jonathan raised the motion that the accounts be accepted:
Proposed by John Dewhurst; seconded by Hilary English. Agreed unanimously by the meeting.

This was Jeremy Skinner’s last act as PCC Treasurer; the meeting recorded its thanks to him.

An interim PCC Treasurer is needed to cover until a new Treasurer has been appointed. The appointment to the interim role of Alastair Deller was proposed by Anne Packer and seconded by Joni Timmins. It was unanimously agreed.

The meeting ended at 11.20am.

Parochial Church Council Meeting

Wednesday 15th June 2016, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present

Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes, Martin Corner, Philip Davies, Liz Deller, John Edwards, Eithne Fray, Peter Hann, Ed Humpherson, Isabel Isaacson, Tsetsy Kehayova, Jennifer Pearce, Paul Thompson

Leslie Packer (for item 5: Finance – Looking to 2017

  1. Apologies

Apologies received from: Chris Ault,  Rev’d David Bell, John Dewhurst, Penny D’Souza, Julia Fionda, Chris Mayo, Philip Walker

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

  1. Minutes of last meeting

PCC, 10th May 2016: minutes agreed.

  1. Matters arising

o    Holy water. It was agreed to provide a small bowl of Holy Water in the niche outside the Trinity Chapel for a trial period following requests received by visitors to the church.

o    Table-top sale. It was confirmed that there would be a table-top sale on Saturday 25th June, 10am to 4pm, as planned.

o    Safeguarding of choir children. A rota of designated adults has been drawn up to monitor the area in and around the choir vestry (including the church grounds nearby) to ensure that the children in the choir are kept safe during the period between the end of the 9.30am service and the start of the trebles’ rehearsal.

  1. Finance

The meeting welcomed the news that Tsetsy has joined the finance team to provide administrative support for Alastair and Jeremy.

A summary of the financial activity for the first four months of 2016 was circulated to the meeting. There are at present no actual figures for 2015 but we can make sensible estimates.

Some good improvements have been achieved: there will be more income from John Cogger and from the Christmas craft fair this year; insurance is now paid monthly rather than annually. It would be helpful to be more accurate on gift aid giving amounts (the figure is based on the last 4 months of 2015); Anne Packer will be looking into this. A meter reading will be submitted this year in July for the photovoltaic panels.

The Accounts for 2015, which are currently being prepared by an outside firm of accountants, should be available by the end of July to enable the drawing up of a draft budget and discussion at an extraordinary general meeting in September.

For the timing being our pledge to the Diocese will remain at a 2% increase; it will be reviewed when we have the actual figures for 2015.

Concern was expressed at the difficulty of asking for financial contributions whilst not having actual figures to indicate what will be needed but it was agreed that this was unavoidable as the circumstances this year have been exceptional. We now have an excellent new accounting system in place but it was an enormous task to get to this position and done entirely by the great efforts of volunteers taking on major roles within the church structure.

The meeting recorded its thanks to Alastair and Jeremy.

  1. Finance – Looking to 2017

Leslie Packer joined the meeting to discuss a paper produced on Anne’s behalf looking to All Saints’ financial needs for 2017. The paper provided an estimate of the likely amount on the basis of figures from Jeremy and Alastair and also a summary of projected income.

All figures are provisional – in particular the level of paying events in the church will have a bearing. There are two new important needs to take into consideration: the desirability of paying a sum each year (suggested £10,000) into a fund for repairs; the covering of half the cost of the heritage officer’s salary. Given the greater use of the church and the aim to increase this further there is also the need for a janitor.

The meeting agreed that the approach last year worked well (open books; keep it simple; talk about £££, rather than percentages). There are new people in the church who need to be engaged; there is a lot of unpledged plate giving that needs to be translated into pledged, gift-aid, or envelope scheme giving. We also need to guide the congregation towards annual reviews/increases in giving; a guide as to what they might expect to give based on income. The focus should address those who haven’t responded or aren’t giving anything and those who are new to the church. We should illustrate what “good giving” looks like. There should be clear explanations of where and on what the money is to be spent.

For now, we continue to monitor the financial figures and take stock as we approach the time of the appeal and then a re-examination once we have the actual accounts for 2015.

The meeting recorded thanks to Leslie and Anne for their work on the stewardship campaigns.

  1. A simple order for daily prayer

Jonathan circulated a simple order for daily prayer to the meeting for discussion. It came out of the prayer survey conducted last year and is intended to provide a structure for people to use in their daily lives. It was considered that there might be an opportunity to ask people to make a gentle commitment to prayer/praying for a trial period.

Some suggestions/additions were discussed; Jonathan will incorporate these and re-circulate the paper.

  1. Church Life Review
  • The point about where people should stand at baptisms has been taken on board and is working well.
  • Some concern was expressed that the “professionalization” of flower arranging in church might discourage people from coming forward to help or to make gifts of flowers. This was not the intention and care would be taken to encourage all levels of involvement.
  • The confirmation service was very enjoyable, providing an opportunity to experience the ways of other churches.
  • A cherry-picker is needed to replace lights in church and the opportunity will be used to identify where the squirrel is gaining ingress with the aim of stopping it.
  • During one of the recent heavy downpours the chapel roof let in some water; it was thought that blocked gutters caused this. When they are clear it was suggested that something be placed in them to deter birds from nesting etc.
  • There is a brief summary in the vergers’ folder of information to give to homeless people coming into the church for help.
  1. Health and Safety
  • Two of the drains inspection hatches in the west end path are damaged (probably by the very wet weather causing damage to their supports); repairs are being arranged.
  • The “dust-buster” is missing – the office staff will be asked to look out for it.
  1. Kingston Team news
  • There will be a joint service at St John the Baptist church, Kingston Vale, on 19th June at 10.30am to celebrate their patronal festival; this means that there will be no 9.30am service at All Saints on that day.
  • Team council meeting: last year’s trip to Cambridge was a success; this year a trip to Winchester is being planned for 15 October.
  1. Deputy churchwardens

The next meeting is on 17 June.

  1. Forthcoming events

These were noted as set out on the agenda, subject to the inclusion of the table-top sale on Saturday 25 June in the church grounds.

The Service on 1 July commemoration the first day of the Battle of the Somme will take place at 12noon and will replace silent prayer on that day.

  1. A.O.B.

Choir stalls: we have collected £28,000 towards new choir stalls which is enough to make a start. Jonathan and Kevin Davies have written a brief for Ptolemy Dean who will produce a design for PCC to approve. The choir stalls will be made by those who did the woodwork for the restoration.

Friends of All Saints. There was no great reaction to the note circulated at the AGM so plans will be put in place for the winding up of the Friends organization.

The meeting closed at 9pm with the Lord’s Prayer.

 

Next meeting: Wednesday 27 July 2016.
Tuesday 10th May 2016, 7.30pm at All Saints Church

Minutes

Present
Rev’d Jonathan Wilkes, Chris Ault, Philip David, Liz Deller, John Dewhurst, Penny D’Souza, John Edwards, Julia Fionda, Eithne Fray, Isabel Isaacson, Tsetsy Kehayova, Chris Mayo, Iain Nevill

1. Apologies
Apologies received from: Rev’d David Bell, Martin Corner, Rev’d Sandy Cragg, Peter Hann, Ed Humpherson, Jennifer Pearce, Paul Thompson, Philip Walker

Jonathan opened the meeting with a prayer.

The meeting welcomed the three newly-elected PCC members: Philip Davies, Julia Fionda and Chris Mayo.

2. Minutes of last meeting
PCC, Tuesday 15th March 2016: minutes agreed.

3. Matters arising
o Holy water. It was agreed that this item should be carried over to the next meeting as it was initially raised by Martin Corner who was unable to be here.
o Designs for the Seven Kings for the East End niches. Jonathan has responded to the concerns of the Diocesan Advisory Committee (discussed at the PCC meeting in March). The DAC has asked to see a trial piece of the embroidered fabric to see how the drawings will be interpreted. It makes sense from our point of view to work on a complete King and this is what has been suggested to the DAC. The plan is for the trial piece to be King Athelstan as the image can also be used in other ways, not just in the wall niche. We are now awaiting approval for the painted designs to be placed in their niches at the East End.
o Safeguarding Policy. The Diocesan safeguarding officer has suggested, in relation to the monitoring of the children in the choir between the end of the 9.30am service and the start of the trebles’ rehearsal, that a slightly more active role is needed than the one indicated by the suggested re-wording of the Safeguarding Policy. The relevant wording will thus be amended to read: “We will specifically ensure that children in and around the choir vestry are monitored by a designated adult at this time.” Jonathan will send round an email setting out what is required and a rota will be organized.

Additional agenda item:

3A. Role and responsibilities of the PCC
Jonathan circulated a document setting out the role and responsibilities of the Parochial Church Council. He drew the attention of the meeting to the following.
Body corporate. PCC members are not personally responsible but commitments made by the PCC have to be honoured even when membership changes.
Structure within which PCC is set. The Bishop is in overall charge of the churches in the diocese but delegates his authority to Jonathan as Rector to act on his behalf in the parish. An example of this is the delegation to the priest of the sacrament of baptism with the Bishop retaining responsibility for confirmation. The members of the PCC are the elected representatives of the congregation and the parish priest consults and works with the congregation via the PCC. The life of the PCC incorporates local issues (everything that happens in the geographical location of the parish, eg businesses, visitors, shoppers &c) and in church (which would include visitors to the church as well as services and so forth) and also national issues, represented by Deanery, Diocesan and General Synod.
Specific responsibilities. These are concerning the building, finances, people (volunteers and paid employees). There are also specific responsibilities in relation to the appointment of parish priests which involve two elected representatives (usually but not necessarily the churchwardens) who consult with the Bishop.
Standing committee. All Saints has a system of deputy churchwardens (4 at present) not all of whom are members of the PCC. The churchwardens, deputy churchwardens and Jonathan (with PCC secretary taking notes) form a chapter which operates as standing committee. It was suggested that this be formalized to be our de facto standing committee; this was agreed unanimously by the meeting.
PCC Vice-chair. Jonathan proposed that the role of vice-chair be undertaken by the churchwardens. Agreed unanimously by the meeting. The churchwardens are elected for one year at a time but can serve for six years. They can stand for re-election after a minimum of one year has passed.
Priorities. Although it is essential to ensure that the PCC functions in the right way, Jonathan stressed the importance of not getting stuck inside procedure and process at the expense of losing sight of our ministry. We need to be welcoming; we need to have patience and forbearance; generosity; to speak the truth in love; to be inventive, creative, brave. Our great themes should be Love, Joy, Hope.
Feedback: Deanery Synod representatives feed back from meetings but it was suggested that we might look at ways of influencing from our PCC up through the levels of the deanery and diocese. The PCC minutes will be uploaded on to the church website and displayed on the church noticeboard.

4. Finance
An interim finance report was given at the AGM. Due to some delays following the introduction of new accounting software and restructuring of the way they are to be presented, the church will pay an outside firm to produce the final accounts this year. A special Accounts meeting will be held shortly (June/July) when the final accounts will be examined and discussed. Jonathan will meet with Jeremy and Alastair to look at ways in which to organise the workload so that the treasurer’s job is less onerous.

5. Church Life Review
• The high quality of the music at evensong is greatly appreciated. Following on from this, Jonathan asked PCC members to spread the word to help with recruitment of choir members, essential to maintain the strong musical tradition.
• It was suggested that it would be helpful to have the Annual Report available via the website.
• In September help will be needed for the running of the children’s workshops.
• It was noted that sidespeople need to co-ordinate when taking the collection to avoid overlapping in certain areas (especially the South aisle). The churchwardens keep an eye on this where possible from the back of the church.
• It was suggested that, at baptisms, parents needed to be in a position from which they can clearly see the baptism taking place.
• Those who attended the Easter dawn service enjoyed it and felt that they had witnessed something special. It was suggested that the service itself could be expanded.
• Thanks was recorded by the meeting for Iain Nevill’s excellent catering following the Easter dawn service and at the Come and Sing event.

6. Parish Support Fund
The importance of supporting the Diocese was emphasized especially to help supplement parishes who find they are unable to pay to maintain clergy. The meeting discussed what contribution should be offered on behalf of All Saints to the Parish Support Fund for 2017. The meeting acknowledged the difficulty of not having final accounts at this stage in the process as we don’t know exactly how much might be available. However, we can give an indication. Jonathan recommended an increase of at least 2% on what we gave last year; the meeting unanimously agreed, with a proviso that we would look to improve on this when we have the final figures.

7. Year of Mercy
This provides us with an opportunity to reflect on our ministry. The meeting looked specifically at the issue of refugees. It was agreed that a themed service would help to raise awareness within the congregation. Recognition was given for what we are already doing to help: “Good Causes” has made a donation to Refugee Action Kingston and there is a fundraising concert for this charity at All Saints in June; an article in the current Saints Alive raises awareness of the plight of those in the “Jungle” camp at Calais; the Mayoral service on 29th June has a theme of welcome which will focus on refugees; our open church is a good space for those needing refuge; the church is actively helping a member of the congregation through the asylum process (which experience might be of help to other churches and could be shared via Deanery Synod).
Jonathan asked for a volunteer to be the church representative on the issue of refugees.

8. Health and Safety
• Thanks were recorded to Iain who has made safe the worst of the broken flagstones at the church gate facing the Memorial Gardens.
• The key to the operating function of the West End doors is missing – all were asked to look out for it and to hand it in if found.
• One or two of the East End electricity floor boxes occasionally have some moisture in them. We have been assured that there is no danger but anyone planning to use them and finding dampness should dry them first.
• Daedalus will shortly be attending to the fixing of the North door mechanism and to quote for work on the bell tower leak, the damp patch at the West End and refurbishment of the East Surrey Gates.

9. Kingston Team news
There will be a joint service at St John the Baptist church, Kingston Vale, on 19th June at 10.30am to celebrate their patronal festival; this means that there will be no 9.30am service at All Saints on that day.

10. Deputy churchwardens
Notes of the deputy churchwardens meeting, 15th April, were circulated. There were no matters arising.

11. Forthcoming events
These were noted as set out on the agenda, subject to the following amendment: the topic of the Topical Lunch on Thursday June 16th is “EU Referendum Hustings” and not as listed on the Agenda.
There is the possibility of regular hiring of the church on Mondays and Thursdays by a choir run by the former organizer of the Rock Choir at the church.

12. A.O.B.
o A table-top sale in aid of good causes is to take place in the church grounds (if wet, in church in the café area) – contact the church office for details.
o The main noticeboard, North lawn, is to be replaced.

The meeting closed at 9pm with the Lord’s Prayer.

Next meeting: Wednesday 15th June 2016